kitecowboy Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Maybe I need some Zen in my life... At least I have a few months to figure out what gets sacrificed to save the money. Maybe it is the whole regret for selling my Rev I for a song when I know now I could have sold it to Cowboy for a small fortune (being it was his favorite colours) and I feel the need to have it back. Or, it could be all the "bad" influence here... Or I am crazy and now weak for these things. Or all of the above... Bart ya whats up with that, a small fortune? well thats fine my new Zen will be my favorite color. Hopefully sooner than january, cant wait to try it at wsikf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartman Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 ya whats up with that, a small fortune? well thats fine my new Zen will be my favorite color. Hopefully sooner than january, cant wait to try it at wsikf. Whoops, forgot you might read this. I would have given you a great deal on it. Really.... Bart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momentintime Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Ive been at Bazzer helping him out with some orders before we had out for a week of flying at the Longbeach festival... Ive been buzy making some Color swatches so you can see what Bazzer has in stock color wise.......there is one color missing in the picture and it is Pink..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortflyer Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 (edited) OK using color samples from the swatch above (I know not exact) I would Buy a Zen if it was to be produced exactly as so but in a Midvent. Might I suggest that Bazzer's Kanji be added at least for all the hard work and dedication he has done with not only the pro's but also the Zen and the new Blasts. Thank You, Signed; Loyal Customer Edited August 16, 2009 by FortFlyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiteLife Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Nice kite Jim! All Pros are labeled specially by Bazzer now, on one of the bottom corner reinforcement panels, much like the original Rev 1's were. Alas, we're not going to be producing a mid-vent in the immediate future, sorry! Could very well happen sometime in the future however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airin Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Ive been at Bazzer helping him out with some orders before we had out for a week of flying at the Longbeach festival... Ive been buzy making some Color swatches so you can see what Bazzer has in stock color wise.......there is one color missing in the picture and it is Pink..... PINK!? You left out the PINK!??! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortflyer Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 (edited) Nice kite Jim! I figured you would like that one But alas I must be different so, Edited August 16, 2009 by FortFlyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortflyer Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 (edited) Well seeing as you guys will be flying the Zen soon I figured I'm gonna fly a Bazzer Kite anyway. Today at Newport 1rst pic average kite level 2nd where the Comet likes to be up where the clouds usually are both taken from same position The original Zen edit: forgot pics Edited August 16, 2009 by FortFlyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beach Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Okay I'm sure people have been waiting for me to chime in on this subject and here's my views..... First I must say I had my questions on this kite and in the last few days those questions were answered for me.... On the first fly of this kite the winds were about 1.5 mph during the day and it flew flawlessly and was even more than I was expecting, the sail stayed loaded and loaded in the right spots for the conditions... Then I handed it off to the members of the " Crazy Drivers" and I wish you could have seen the expressions on there faces as they kept passing the kites off to each other, I then went to Paul LaMasters my guy who pulls no punches with me and my product and when he was done he wanted to write the check now for his hmmmmmm, by goodness I think we hit a home run with this but you know me I got to know more... So I went to Joe another good flier in most conditions but by his own admissions not a great low wind flier and he stated to me he was able to fly in some conditions he could never do before..... Then tonight was the night fly and there was light wind at best and no ground wind at all and even with the lights I had rigged up and boxed in on both sides I was able to perform and from the reaction of the people I must have been doing pretty good..... So my thoughts at this stage is this works and it works very well but is it done that will be decided by myself, John B., Bazzer, and the entire team of iQuad next week and then we will sit down and work out dollars and cents and then I / Revolution will make the final decision on does this work...... If it does I say we will start to take orders for these kites by the end of the month or perhaps sooner, are they pricey yes they are plain and simple, do you need one I think you do cause no matter what we have all been in situations where no matter what the winds were just to light to fly and we were grounded...... My personal opinion is that the " Zen " takes light wind flying to another level.......... Ben :blue-cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitecowboy Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Theres one line in there Ben that makes it sound like your still deciding on producing this kite, I sure hope this is not the case I know I'll be trying it out at WISKF and be ordering one the first day there avalible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeepi Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Ive been at Bazzer helping him out with some orders before we had out for a week of flying at the Longbeach festival... You probably finishing my kite I just ordered 2 weeks ago a JB Pro Fade (Race Green Black Center) I`m new here and bought my first Rev last year a JB standard red. Can`t wait! To see and flight it here in Canada... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartman Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 I'm waiting to hear from everyone at WSIKF, but if this kite is really the light wind miracle it appears to be then I will be looking for a custom layout for next spring. Bart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKYWLKR Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 I was able to spend a few minutes of Zen time today... er...yesterday... I was having quite a bit of workout with a B series Rev 1.5 this past morning in low winds with a 2 wrap frame with a 3 wrap centered LE (don't Ask). I could not get any Feel out of the kite. It was very frustrating with the kite just flopping around then going poof and falling out the sky. I just could not feel what the kite was doing. Ben Handed me a Kite, after setting up and realizing it was MUCH bigger than My 1.5. I promptly misplaced the sleeve... There were too many Rev bags laying open, I was distracted... I set the Zen up on a pair of 16" handles with 50 foot 50 lbs line. The Kite powered right up and gave me the feel I needed to keep it in the air. It was noticeably slower as well giving me a bit more time to figure out what to do. I could tell there was less weight and more sail by the lack of momentum the kite had, it would just stop what ever input I was doing like right now when I went to neutral. I am a fan of Lighter is better but, I am not sure what the kite would do if it was at a much lighter surface area to weight. I like the kite (the sail was nice, subtle with a splash of color on only one wing) I think it will be a great kite especially for me as I just have a standard. I would have loved spend more time with it, but I was forced to go to 120's with my B series standard when I resumed my field time .... then I had to go to a vent... but I didn't own a vent. So I bought the green eyes in the pic: I think the Zen will be a winner, I will be trying my 1.5 on a race frame soon to see what it will do but I can't imagine it allowing what I was able to do with the Zen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloo Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Joe, I hate you (not realy) for two reasons. You have flown a Zen, and you have bought some Eyes. You lucky guy you. The Eyes, and probably the Zen are kites I would love to have in my bag, which colour Eyes, Green of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david ellison Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Good to read about this new low wind kite. I'd be interested to hear some compare and contrast comments from those who are experienced Rev 1 fliers and have now had some time on the new Zen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonet Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Que suerte teneis los que podeis saborearla y provarla , me muero de envidia de no porder tenerla en mis manos tan solo una hora , buaaaaaa¡¡¡ Pero me conformare con que vosotros disfruteis con ella y hagais el test necesario para cuando venga a España , saludos amigos , disfrutar de ella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REVflyer Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 I flew the Zen for a while in Dieppe, comparing it to my own highly modified B-Series SUL with a race frame. I found the kites very comparable in flight, the Zen felt heavy on the handles, but not falling out of the sky heavy. More of a direct response to the slightest input, without being twitchy! As Ben stated, I'm both a good client and tough consumer's critic. The point of the kite is it's beauty. It is a specialty kite direct from the factory for the most demanding of all conditions. No wind outside or puffs of swirling air. I'd confidently fly it inside a baseball stadium, but you could too even if you think it's beyond your conditions skill set! I like a floaty kite and almost always fly with very long throw handles,.... I like twitchy and responsive. (Ben calls me a "flailer"!) The Zen allows that slow graceful precision everyone expects from a Revolution pilot. It just stays stapled into the sky, in any position, no fancy footwork, no customizations, even limited experience didn't seem to phase it out of contention. That's why I told Barbara and Ben to just name their own price and make the deal. I could easily see adding one of these wings to my own go-to bag. (#55-?) I'd saw no reason I shouldn't have been leaving with it, prototype?, more festivals?, not ready? etc! Heck, I'm from the land of no wind and the factory has finally, FINALLY addressed our conditions. No special orders or long practice sessions to acquire a skill set, nothing extra needed at all. Just drop your loops onto the bridle and look like a magician in conditions that others can't respond in. Sure it's designed for team flying in no wind. How many times you get to do that in your own front yard? You will certainly be reading more endorsements in the near future. My order is in. I'll take the first one they are willing to send me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Let the reviews commence! haha. Yes precision is the name of the game with this kite. It locks into it's line and stays there. Corners are sharp and precise, and that's in forward and reverse ladies and gentlemen. I flew these at maybe three festivals in a row with the team and upon picking up a 1.5pro again I thought to myself 'man this thing is all over the place!' haha I've really grown fond of it on 90' lines where it takes up the whole sky and is so smooth. Acceleration, braking, cornering, nothing is jumpy, it all just feels....smooth UGH! and I have to wait another whole day till I get to WSIKF haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david ellison Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Thanks Revflyer and JD - good to hear your positive feedback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloo Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Just makes me hope they fly across the pond real soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerochic Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Okayyy, a review like ~that~ coming from RevFlyer has me excited beyond words!!! I want one nowwwwww! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrunya Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Alright!!! I had a great bit of time with the zen, and I gave it a run for it's money. Started out on some 85' lines, and it flies very nice. Sail loads up great and has all the power you would want in the light wind. The kite does fly slower simply because of the larger sail, but despite the size, it is still very capable of some fast clockwork and quick snappy movements. I then put it on my 30' line set . I started to axel it like CRAZY! It does great smooth axels going from left, then right, and back and forth. It did great!! Then came the toss-and-catch. I love catching this kite. It has a very strong feel to it when you catch it. Then throwing back out, it floats all the way out quite nicely. I am sold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 /fingers in ears La la la la la... I'm not listening.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailor99 Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 I was just looking at some of the comments from people who have flown this kite and it appears that comparisons are generally being drawn against 1.5s, mainly pros. However many of the observations are what I would say about a well set up I with race rods in - precise corners, stuck in the window in light air, slower,etc. It almost seems unfair to compare it to a 1.5 as that is a totally different beast. It's almost like saying a 1.5 pro is much more precise and powerful than a II but a bit slower. Well of course it is - the real comparitor for a pro is a B series. Any chance of some comparisons against a decent I without Mylar, perhaps a sedwick for instance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortflyer Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 OK 1 more question for me and this I think may be the BIG factor. What rods are being used in the Zen ?? Are they based on the Silver Bullet design if so I makes sense why this sail fly's so well aside from the upgraded panel design and lower center. After seeing what the Silver Bullets do for a 1.5 sail I can see the same effects (even better) for the Rev 1 size as the sail is much larger. Thanks, Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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