KiteLife Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Not sure, the key is if it hangs down and draws oddly against the line. If you experiment, please do so carefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA12K Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Ok I will be careful I have some good Ideas for the stake setup and also a rather unusual idea to prevent the line from jumping off the pulley. And if I do make it successfully I will mail it to you for a test drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiteLife Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Oh man, that'd be awesome, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesey Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 The life of a lonely flyer leads to experimentation so had my first attempt at Staking today ..... Bit breezy really but rig below is in 'Beta' testing and as per JB's comments my worry was the line jumping the sheave ..... Went with 150lb x 100ft as didn't want to trash my only set of 120's ... worked fine although sheave jumping is an issue during set up and some 'unplanned' scenarios! .. will try and find some more appropriate blocks. One issue I had was that because of the top/bottom arrangement of the double blocks there was way too much brake on (and I usually fly max break on standard B leaders) ... letting out bottoms and full in on tops was just about enough to get flying but not comfortable .... have I missed something?? Anyway after the complete mind F%^k of the first 10 minutes I had some success and will definitely play some more and on longer lines... Even let Sparky have a play as you can see below ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrunya Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 When I was in Cabo, I tried out a dogstake setup I had made with pulleys. The pulleys caused way too much friction and it was difficult to control the kite (I think they are just crappy pulleys), so I tried it with just clips. The clips worked fine, but then (keep in mind that I was flying my vented B with double LE) the wind was too strong, and the kite pulled the dogstake right out og the ground! Nothing dot hurt, but It was kind of funny to watch the kite fly right next to me, then suddenly fly back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dean750 Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 This may sound a little goofy, I apologize. When dog stakin, looking at the back of the kite, is the right side your right handle? Or is the right side the left handle if you were looking at it from the normal flying position. Also, when I first heard about dog stakin it was just a stake with a smooth eyelet on top. The eyelet swivled on some. So I'm assuming since I never got around to trying it, that without the pulleys allow for smoother line inputs? Seperate the lines giving less friction. Lines last longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesey Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 When I was in Cabo, I tried out a dogstake setup I had made with pulleys. The pulleys caused way too much friction and it was difficult to control the kite (I think they are just crappy pulleys), so I tried it with just clips. The clips worked fine, but then (keep in mind that I was flying my vented B with double LE) the wind was too strong, and the kite pulled the dogstake right out og the ground! Nothing dot hurt, but It was kind of funny to watch the kite fly right next to me, then suddenly fly back. Lucky you didn't get a stake in the head.... it is a strange experience though isn't it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiteLife Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Jonesey, I'd have to try your rig first hand to provide decent comments... But with regard to "unplanned scenarios", I often do an axel through the dogstake, and I'm pretty sure that would send enough slack line around to jump off the pulley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesey Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Jonesey, I'd have to try your rig first hand to provide decent comments...But with regard to "unplanned scenarios", I often do an axel through the dogstake, and I'm pretty sure that would send enough slack line around to jump off the pulley. J... You can try it while the rest of us are eating Fish and Chips on the beach on the 21st August ... assuming the jet lag hasnt wiped you out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloo Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 The life of a lonely flyer leads to experimentation so had my first attempt at Staking today ..... Bit breezy really but rig below is in 'Beta' testing and as per JB's comments my worry was the line jumping the sheave ..... Went with 150lb x 100ft as didn't want to trash my only set of 120's ... worked fine although sheave jumping is an issue during set up and some 'unplanned' scenarios! .. will try and find some more appropriate blocks.One issue I had was that because of the top/bottom arrangement of the double blocks there was way too much brake on (and I usually fly max break on standard B leaders) ... letting out bottoms and full in on tops was just about enough to get flying but not comfortable .... have I missed something?? Anyway after the complete mind F%^k of the first 10 minutes I had some success and will definitely play some more and on longer lines... Even let Sparky have a play as you can see below ... Hey Jonesey, I just wondered how you set it up. One handle through each pulley or top line through one bottom through the other? Difficult to remember now but is JB on a single loop for his stake or two lops? I would have thought if you run one handle through each pully it should not alter the line lengths. I can see how it might aler with top through one and bottom through the other. But then hey what do I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choccy Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 The life of a lonely flyer leads to ......let Sparky have a play as you can see below ... Huh ? :confused!: that's lonely is it ? Glad you finally got to have a go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesey Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Hey Jonesey, I just wondered how you set it up. One handle through each pulley or top line through one bottom through the other?Difficult to remember now but is JB on a single loop for his stake or two lops? I would have thought if you run one handle through each pully it should not alter the line lengths. I can see how it might aler with top through one and bottom through the other. But then hey what do I know. Cleanest lead is bottom lines through bottom blocks/top through top ... will have another play today as it was a bit too breezy yesterday so hoping the wind doesnt keep building like it has so far today !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starnaml Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 <snip>I often do an axel through the dogstake, <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiteLife Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Just made a YouTube playlist of dogstaking, for those who are interested... Who all has tried it recently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortflyer Posted November 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Who all has tried it recently? Tried it a few times over the summer with a rig similar to yours, It's pretty fun but it does eat through lines pretty quickly had more of my kites come with lines I wouldn't care. Ben seems to have a nice like friendly rig especially seeing as I don't sleeve my lines it would work for me. Seems there was a spurt for awhile and some great ideas for pulley systems that seemed to have fizzled out, too bad some were looking good I might have to PM the builder of the one Ben has and see what I can work out with that. Unfortunately I don't work in a machine shop anymore nor do I have access to one or I would just come up with something myself, Oh well they say good things come to those who wait. Hmmm just a thought maybe I can bribe someone with a kite for a kick a$$ dogstake rig :confused!: theres a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiteLife Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 I spoke with Iwan (designer of Ben's stake) recently, and he was still working out the issue of lines jumping the pulley and getting stuck in the space on either side... Too bad, I'm DYING to get on a decent rig! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortflyer Posted November 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 I spoke with Iwan (designer of Ben's stake) recently, and he was still working out the issue of lines jumping the pulley and getting stuck in the space on either side... Too bad, I'm DYING to get on a decent rig! You and me both, It's quite fun and I have lots of catching up to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyjuggles Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 I've had a play the last couple of times out with a carabiner and am just starting to get a feel for it but the carabiner caused a lot of friction on the lines. Have been out to the Yacht Chandlers in Conwy today and picked up this little beauty - it was £25 so it better bloody work!!! It's a triple pulley so i may only use two - there wasn't a huge choice but apparently you CAN get these in a quad model too - the other mini pulleys they had were bearing-less and had massive gaps. Try as i might i can't seem to get my lines caught in any way so i'm hopeful it will work well. Will let you know how it goes as i have Big Bri and some of the other northern lot coming over for play time in the snow tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LS Kite Stakes Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 I'm DYING to get on a decent rig! Do I need to save ya John??? I might be convinced to get out in the shop and make some chips, even got some ideas. I just need another project, like i need a SLE applied to my.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiteLife Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Honestly? I'd LOVE to try any decent rig, I'm in serious need. Best option of all, would be if I could "clip" my lines in and out, as opposed to having to string them through from the end every time (common for all designs thus far)... But it's a small factor, just having a well functioning, smooth set up would be enough. Shoot, a good enough rig, I might even trade a Rev for. <grin> Sorry, I had to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauranyyfan Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 John... That was so sweeeeeet! I haven't been lucky enough to try it, YET . I know I'll get a shot, though. Hmmmm, I just clicked that some of my friends that are welders, iron workers, etc. have friends that build and create things as needed. (I'm in need of kite stake, sooooooo......) If I can get the parts, I know they can put anything together. I'll keep you posted... btw, you changed the link setup to YouTube, right? It's very cool! Bravo.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailor99 Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 A rig with 4 independant pulleys, no problem with the line slipping down the side of the pulleys, no decernable friction on the lines as you move them independantly and where you simply open up the pulleys and slip in the lines it was tested in the UK yesterday. Pleased to say it worked perfecly. Hovers in all orientations were easy, though it was also easy to suddenly find yourself totally confused! Dive stops no problem. A swift tug to get some power was fine. Landing on your own head a doddle. Mark 3 is, in other words, complete and trialed. Finalised production is this ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiteLife Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Sailor, looking forward to mine... For independent testing, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcom714 Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Mark 3 is, in other words, complete and trialed. Finalised production is this ready. Sign me up for one when ready for sale. I haven't dog staked since my dualie days a long, long time ago. Quad dog staking, especially in small confined areas, looks to be the ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauranyyfan Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 A rig with 4 independant pulleys, no problem with the line slipping down the side of the pulleys, no decernable friction on the lines as you move them independantly and where you simply open up the pulleys and slip in the lines it was tested in the UK yesterday. Pleased to say it worked perfecly. Hovers in all orientations were easy, though it was also easy to suddenly find yourself totally confused! Dive stops no problem. A swift tug to get some power was fine. Landing on your own head a doddle.Mark 3 is, in other words, complete and trialed. Finalised production is this ready. Very, very cool. Do you plan on getting the "JB stamp of approval" or just put it out there? I'm really interested in trying this. I've yet to ever have seen this done in person. Please put me on the list when they're ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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