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I believe that the collective noun for hawks (in general) is a kettle, and as a kite is also a hawk I guess that would mean it is a "Kettle of kiters" (?).

"A meaningful amount of progress" sounds just perfect Stephen. I suspect that just watching people who know so much more than I do will help me trip the light fantastic up my learning curve. :D

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Important Announcement - Please Read

STACK UK announce support for the Rev Skill weekend

I think it is fair to say that when Stephen started this thread back in September he didn’t realise quite how big this thing would get.

When the arrangements were being made for the Ainsdale gathering he asked people to consider any insurance implications and all those attending were asked to bring STACK membership cards, as a way of proving cover.

Because of the higher numbers involved and because, if the weather is good, twenty-odd Revs in the air may well generate quite an audience at Dunstable, it is even more important that we make sure that everyone is covered this time.

Now the good news

Following discussions with STACK our gathering is now officially designated a “STACK Better Flying Day” and STACK have generously offered membership to the end of the STACK year (28th Feb) for £5.00, which will of course provide insurance cover for the weekend.

Aside from the peace of mind for the weekend, STACK membership is a good idea anyway (even for those of us who don’t want to compete) and we would encourage you to take out full STACK membership anyway.

Would anybody who does not already hold a membership card please contact me with an email address and will email back a membership application form ASAP. Although, it is technically possible to process applications on the day, it does present one or two problems that are probably best avoided if at all possible. I would therefore suggest that everyone should ensure their application is in well ahead of the gathering.

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hi Bob.

so what is it you are saying, if we do not pay a fiver we cannot fly?.

what about us notherners that have insurance, personal and via a club.

i am personnally not interested in flying any stack routines.

i just thought that this was a gathering of like minded Rev flyers.

all getting together for a fly, and improving ones skills.

we had no problem at Ainsdale.

please tell me Bob who has made this democratic decision.

i must say that this has narked a few of us northern folk.

all the best steve.

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hi Bob.

so what is it you are saying, if we do not pay a fiver we cannot fly?.

what about us notherners that have insurance, personal and via a club.

i am personnally not interested in flying any stack routines.

i just thought that this was a gathering of like minded Rev flyers.

all getting together for a fly, and improving ones skills.

we had no problem at Ainsdale.

plaese tell me Bob who has made this democratic decision.

i must say that this has narked a few of us northern folk.

all the best steve.

Some of us Southerners who already carry insurance ain't best pleased either, three seperate insurance policys, I think not.

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Some of us Southerners who already carry insurance ain't best pleased either, three seperate insurance policys, I think not.

I have to agree on the insurance, I already have three polices one of which now

covers me for personal flying anywhere in the EU, and the AKA one which covers

the US.

I am not sure the event needs to be sanctioned by STACK and it might be a counter

productive move, as not that many flyers wish to be involved in competitive kiting or

become a member. STACK has its place and does a very good job, but I also got the

impression that it was a get together of Rev flyers having fun and some lessons.

regards all

Dave M :)

(these views and opinions are mine and not in any way that of Kiteworld)

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Some of us Southerners who already carry insurance ain't best pleased either, three seperate insurance policys, I think not.

When I first heard about this weekend I was so pleased to see a group of skilled rev flyers offering to help out those just starting out 'on the dark side' and I am all to willing to help those that ask for my flying technics for free.Just the thought of a group of rev heads out on a janurary cold weekend made me think what hardcore flyers we have in the uk but know it seems to be turning out into some sort of 'team flying event' and the mention of £5 insurance on top of the travel and hotel/food/drink is just making this FUN weekend into some commercial gain...Next I will be hearing that your be wanting to sell the raffle tickets for the FREE DONATED KITE FROM KITE WORLD (many thanks guys) when in my opinion it should and would be fair that if everyone that has there name down for the weekend get a FREE raffle ticket each and every flyer then has a chance of wining this superb prize...if there is to be any charge I for one want to know where that money will be ending up??? so from Skunk its a big fat no to you offer of insurance and I just hope this FUN weekend dont go down the pan with 'bullshit politics' LETSkeep this a fun free weekend as it was intended :)

this message is not aimed at any individual and no offence is meet by it its just my view.. see ya's all there

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First let me say, that is not exclusively my call, I am only handling the admin here, there is a team of us working with Stephen to put this thing together and the announcement in my previous posting was agreed by the whole team.

We are currently considering peoples objections but as all our discussions are by email it is neither a quick nor an easy process.

All I can say at this stage is -

Please be patient and Watch this Space

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Before everyone starts having a go at Bob he is only trying to help.

If we get 30-40 rev fliers together there is a potential for an accident and as one of the "organisers" we don`t want to be liable.

No one is forcing anyone to join Stack or pay £5, Bob`s post does not say you have to pay a fiver or you can`t fly.

The reason it has become a STACK better flying day is so that anyone who does not have insurance can get some on the day.

I think people should be thanking bob for his organisation rather than having a go at him.

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When I first heard about this weekend I was so pleased to see a group of skilled rev flyers offering to help out those just starting out 'on the dark side' and I am all to willing to help those that ask for my flying technics for free.Just the thought of a group of rev heads out on a janurary cold weekend made me think what hardcore flyers we have in the uk but know it seems to be turning out into some sort of 'team flying event' and the mention of £5 insurance on top of the travel and hotel/food/drink is just making this FUN weekend into some commercial gain...Next I will be hearing that your be wanting to sell the raffle tickets for the FREE DONATED KITE FROM KITE WORLD (many thanks guys) when in my opinion it should and would be fair that if everyone that has there name down for the weekend get a FREE raffle ticket each and every flyer then has a chance of wining this superb prize...if there is to be any charge I for one want to know where that money will be ending up??? so from Skunk its a big fat no to you offer of insurance and I just hope this FUN weekend dont go down the pan with 'bullshit politics' LETSkeep this a fun free weekend as it was intended :)

this message is not aimed at any individual and no offence is meet by it its just my view.. see ya's all there

Where the HELL do you get off suggesting we would charge for the raffle.

None of this is being done for any financial gain and i find it insulting that you could even suggest it.

Haven`t seen you organising hotels, evening meal location, national trust permission, etc. You just seem to want to moan.

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Im so sorry, but i feel Im not able to commmit to the time off work and the travel costs, only to be forced in to STACK insurance also.

Thanks and it would be a brilliant weekend, but not for me. Sorry it has gone this way.

Love to you all, clare X X X

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As a US flier, I'll stay out of the politics and organizational side of a UK affair... I don't presume to have any unique insights.

But as the forum moderator, I must encourage those participating in this discussion to take the battles and sharper comments to email or PM exchanges.

Let's try and keep it straight forward for all the folks who surf the forum, by focusing on solutions in the public discussion.

My 2 cents, I'd happily pay £5 (what works out to roughly $9.91503 USD) for a fully insured weekend on the beach... It's not all about the pilots, it's also about the spectators.

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Im so sorry, but i feel Im not able to commmit to the time off work and the travel costs, only to be forced in to STACK insurance also.

Thanks and it would be a brilliant weekend, but not for me. Sorry it has gone this way.

Love to you all, clare X X X

Can someone please tell me where in BOB`s post he has forced people into STACK insurance :confused!:

All we are trying to do is ensure this is run safely, we are not trying to make a profit, far from it.

With the amount of people coming it WILL be a brilliant weekend, but people need to be insured.

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Can someone please tell me where in BOB`s post he has forced people into STACK insurance :confused!:

All we are trying to do is ensure this is run safely, we are not trying to make a profit, far from it.

With the amount of people coming it WILL be a brilliant weekend, but people need to be insured.

Woody your seem to be stirring things up a little ..nobody has mentioned on this thread to Bob personaly and Im sure all that have helped out in the organizing of this weekend have done a good job,but if it was not for the rest off us turning out for it it would be a waste of all your time..

all kiters need to know is wether they can fly on the weekend with thier own club insurances(or without at thier own risk)I cant see many spectators being out in jan but then i have never been to this venue before and i might be pleasently surprized at the turnout..

As for me 'moaning' if my point of view has upset you then im sorry but I still believe that the uk has the freedom of speech and that I and anyone else can have a say on this matter,as for the raffle i did hear from a good source that it might be done to the best flyer which i thought was totally unfair to everyone who turn out for the weekend I did not say you was charging for the raffle and i did end my thread with...this meesage is NOT directed at any one person..

kiters are just in the need to know whats what and im sure 'Stack'will soon have the answers for us all...in the mean time take the comments with a pinch of salt and relax :kid_smartass:

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Can someone please tell me where in BOB`s post he has forced people into STACK insurance :confused!:

All we are trying to do is ensure this is run safely, we are not trying to make a profit, far from it.

With the amount of people coming it WILL be a brilliant weekend, but people need to be insured.

Contained within an email from Bob:

"Though I have to say, it was my understanding that Stephen had made STACK membership a requirement of the Ainsdale gathering and as the Dunstable gathering is now officially sanctioned by STACK I can not see how we could relax that ruling."

All news to me, as responsible kiters who fly a good deal and with all sorts of kites we have no need of further insurance or membership of any other organisations thank you Woody.

I agree John, £5.00 is not a lot for insurance but being as I already pay considerably more than that for adequate cover there is no point or need, in buying further insurance to fly in a public place.

As for all the organising, just name the place and the time, I will be there.

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Woody your seem to be stirring things up a little ..nobody has mentioned on this thread to Bob personaly and Im sure all that have helped out in the organizing of this weekend have done a good job,but if it was not for the rest off us turning out for it it would be a waste of all your time..

all kiters need to know is wether they can fly on the weekend with thier own club insurances(or without at thier own risk)I cant see many spectators being out in jan but then i have never been to this venue before and i might be pleasently surprized at the turnout..

As for me 'moaning' if my point of view has upset you then im sorry but I still believe that the uk has the freedom of speech and that I and anyone else can have a say on this matter,as for the raffle i did hear from a good source that it might be done to the best flyer which i thought was totally unfair to everyone who turn out for the weekend I did not say you was charging for the raffle and i did end my thread with...this meesage is NOT directed at any one person..

kiters are just in the need to know whats what and im sure 'Stack'will soon have the answers for us all...in the mean time take the comments with a pinch of salt and relax :kid_smartass:

Your the one that is stirring things up by suggesting we are going to charge for the raffle :kid_cussing:

It won`t be a waste of time because even if none of the fliers turn we`ll still be there, as we are every weekend!

As you have stated you have never been to this venue, there will be quite a few people there because it is a national trust site.

You are correct when your source suggested it might be given to the best/improved flyer, but it was ME that insisted it was raffled.

Perhaps you should go back to your source and get the TRUE facts.

Why will STACK have the answers?

They aren`t organising it we are, if STACK is a problem i`ll suggest they withdraw their offer of insurance and anyone who turns up without insurance can`t fly SIMPLE.

You say that this isn`t directed at one person but it is directed at the organisers.

If you wanted people to relax why reply with a post that is designed to cause a reaction.

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