Aerochic Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 (edited) I personally travel lighter than ever now. One bag, just stuffed with rev products, a place to sit and my lunchbox/coffee cup combo. If I have to truck too far across the tundra it\'s slipped into a golf cart for ease of transport on my aching back. I saw your kit on the competition field. I was saying to Alden what a brilliant idea that was! I used to bring some of my SLKs to the festival for \"down time\"...as if there was some! LOL! I fire away as I\'m walking to straighten out a mess, or when I was dead center of the \"Mega Knot\" as it\'s being called, I had nothing better to do than fire away; or any other chance I get!! I just can\'t pass it up. During one of the strolls for something cold to drink, I found my way over to the big kites, finally!! I missed it last year. Next time around, I can promise you that I will get some KAP shots!!! I had every intention of doing that this time, but this little thing called a Revolution Kite kept calling me away from it! I totally hear you, Laura. My "Old Trusty" camera was having battery issues on this trip and there were so many shots I missed because I didn't have it with me. Pouts. I must spend some time on the Big Kites next year and the Indoor Comps. Just not enough hours in the day! I hope you do get to do some KAP next year! Edited June 5, 2009 by Aerochic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellykelly Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 I have a bunch of photos of the weekend, grid, mega fly and more. I'm off today I'll try to post them up after lunch. We had a great time with REV crew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauranyyfan Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Hi Paul- Thanks for the kind words and suggestions. It's so true that this addiction takes us away from other things; I am not at all complaining, too . Life is extra good... when we're flying Revs!!! hmmmm... good logo for a T-shirt.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneReed Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 I just put up 2 videos of Wildwood '09 on Youtube. The links are: The first part shows general kite scenes, Rev games, running of the bols, etc. The second part is devoted to the Mega-flys that Barb or I were able to get on video. We were not able to record the grid or double-ball mega-flys. When I get more time, I may put together a third part to cover the indoor competition and demos that we recorded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcom714 Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 AWESOME, AWESOME, AWESOME job Barb & Wayne!!!!!!!!! Did I mention what an AWESOME job you guys did???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temoniprince Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Amazing vids! thank you barb! yr the best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauranyyfan Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 (edited) Awesome videos!!!!! Great job, Barb and Wayne... I meant to say AWESOME JOB!!!! Thanks for the great, no awesome memories. Wink, wink, Rich... lol Edited June 8, 2009 by Love2fly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerochic Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 AWESOME, AWESOME, AWESOME job Barb & Wayne!!!!!!!!! Did I mention what an AWESOME job you guys did???? What Rich Said! Great Job of pulling everything together! You even got the Ben Boogie! I can't wait to see the third installment! Thank You Wayne & Barb! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdventureAng Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Nice videos. THanks for posting them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beach Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Thank you one and all, watching the videos just made me smile....... Ben :blue-cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 I just put up 2 videos of Wildwood '09 on Youtube. The links are: The first part shows general kite scenes, Rev games, running of the bols, etc. The second part is devoted to the Mega-flys that Barb or I were able to get on video. We were not able to record the grid or double-ball mega-flys. When I get more time, I may put together a third part to cover the indoor competition and demos that we recorded. Hi Wayne, Thanks for putting up the videos. Most instructive for those anxious to understand the issues facing fliers in the Rev Mega Team. Watching the opening sequence before the Wave was most instructive and highlights an issue raised elsewhere about the initial set-up of the kite LE down and the ease (or otherwise) with which the flier can rotate the kite to LE up. Holding the hover is one issue; this surely is another.... The Grid avoids extreme crossed lines which could be seen in the following linear flying. At the outset it (the Grid) may appear more complicated but I would be interested if someone versed in 'risk assessment' would be able to comment. Anyway, fantastic effort by everyone involved. Who wants to be part of the 100? Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Hi Wayne,Thanks for putting up the videos. Most instructive for those anxious to understand the issues facing fliers in the Rev Mega Team. Watching the opening sequence before the Wave was most instructive and highlights an issue raised elsewhere about the initial set-up of the kite LE down and the ease (or otherwise) with which the flier can rotate the kite to LE up. Holding the hover is one issue; this surely is another.... The Grid avoids extreme crossed lines which could be seen in the following linear flying. At the outset it (the Grid) may appear more complicated but I would be interested if someone versed in 'risk assessment' would be able to comment. Anyway, fantastic effort by everyone involved. Who wants to be part of the 100? Felix Felix, I think the most important thing is that next time they invite The Decs & The Flying Squad Would be interesting to spend some time with these Guys & Gals, showing them the GRID etc. I think the sucess of the Portsmouth 48 grid (or how ever many it actually was) shows the advantage of a grid over side by side. Done the discussion, and experience has shown GRID, is the lower risk option. When The Flying Squad get the whole squad together plus a few friends we get a 4X4 grid set up always in preference to a line. A line stops working on 120feet lines at about 10 flyers. but good to watch the video Many Thanks, how about a picture with named flyers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobw Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 The Grid avoids extreme crossed lines which could be seen in the following linear flying. At the outset it (the Grid) may appear more complicated but I would be interested if someone versed in 'risk assessment' would be able to comment.Who wants to be part of the 100? Felix Oh, now you did it Felix. Waaaay too much of a geek to resist putting the analytical hat on. But, at a superficial level and a first take, the risk of catastrophic failure (e.g. a mega tangle) goes up with each additional element (flyer). To minimize them means to analyze whats the maxium tolerance of error (bobble), give them that space and the probability of failure. But as anyone who's done any manufacturing knows, getting a perfect system is really hard; its better to plan for a failure and the safe isolation/ejection of that failure. In other words, you probably need to have some sub-grids, a plan for same fast movement away, and allow the tangle to collapse in a small isolated way, and then just keep on going. Given that kites tend to skitter around, and then probably fall to the ground (is that a safe assumption?),. I would think the logical grouping should be a vertical line, not a horizontal one. In a similar way, any mega-fly moves that cause crossed lines, increases the size of the failure and the collapse. If that's not practical, i.e., you really need everyone to stay in the air, then again, I think you need some room and some subgrids, or space between some sub grids. So as someone looses it, flyers can move away to give them some space to recover, and rather than have everyone with their max minimum safe fly zone, compact it a little and have periodic buffer zones between sub grids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneReed Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 First, thanks for the encouraging words on the videos. I know Barb who shot the majority of them appreciates it, as do I as I had to make the tough choices of which clips to include to get under the Youtube limit of 10 minutes per file. I can't wait to fly with those who can make it on June 20th, although I will not have my wife there to fly or take photos . Thanks for putting up the videos. Most instructive for those anxious to understand the issues facing fliers in the Rev Mega Team.Watching the opening sequence before the Wave was most instructive and highlights an issue raised elsewhere about the initial set-up of the kite LE down and the ease (or otherwise) with which the flier can rotate the kite to LE up. Holding the hover is one issue; this surely is another.... The Grid avoids extreme crossed lines which could be seen in the following linear flying. At the outset it (the Grid) may appear more complicated but I would be interested if someone versed in 'risk assessment' would be able to comment. Felix As a novice at group flying, my observations might be relevant. I found the grid (3 rows of 6 each) to be easier for me to handle. The line was easy enough until we got to snakes of 24. I bailed up out of the first snake attempt when I realized that I got too close to the edge of my wind window standing near the left end and following the group to the right end for the turn, and stayed out for the second more successful snake. The wind was light enough that the experienced flyers had much better control at the edges than I did. On other group flys with 12-15 kites, I was able to handle the edges better. This seems to be a limiting factor for a horizontal line reaching the extremes to turn on a figure 8. When we were in a line of 24 and doing vertical threading with 2 rows, I had no difficulty because I was near the center of my wind window. Doing a double ball of 3 inside and 12 outside (I have no images of this unfortunately) was easy for me because Jay placed me at the top of the inner ball, one of the easiest positions. This was a blast to do, and must have looked good for the audience. When we did 3 5-kite balls, it was easy except for confusion caused by difficulty in hearing the calls. That was another issue that was better in the grid. I was able to hear the calls better over the wind noises. Bottom line, I think there are advantages for the grid when the number gets high, unless full width horizontal motion is advoided, or unless novices are near the center where they don't have to go as far to the ends. This has the downside of being harder to bail out, so more experienced others can weigh these issues. This experience in both forms of group flying was all fun and I really enjoyed the team action, especially when we were able to do moves in sync with some precision. I appreciate the help I got from the experienced flyers that enabled me to get in there and share the sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 First, thanks for the encouraging words on the videos. I know Barb who shot the majority of them appreciates it, as do I as I had to make the tough choices of which clips to include to get under the Youtube limit of 10 minutes per file. I can't wait to fly with those who can make it on June 20th, although I will not have my wife there to fly or take photos .<snip excellent post> This experience in both forms of group flying was all fun and I really enjoyed the team action, especially when we were able to do moves in sync with some precision. I appreciate the help I got from the experienced flyers that enabled me to get in there and share the sky. Thanks very much for taking time to describe your experience. It has to be fun! Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 (edited) Oh, now you did it Felix. <snip> Yes, an excellent analysis <grins> On a practical basis I think that you get the drift. The kites fall out of the air... No big deal. However, the 'in-line' observation sticks. Felix Edited June 8, 2009 by Felix Mottram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Felix, I think the most important thing is that next time they invite The Decs & The Flying Squad <snip> I have to agree. Better still, I hear rumour that they might have recognised this essential aspect to the development of grid flying. <grins> Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortflyer Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 I have to agree. Better still, I hear rumour that they might have recognised this essential aspect to the development of grid flying. <grins>Felix The way this economy is going, Start the fund raising now by next year there might be enough to buy coffee in the morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 <snip>If that's not practical, i.e., you really need everyone to stay in the air, then again, I think you need some room and some subgrids, or space between some sub grids. So as someone looses it, flyers can move away to give them some space to recover, and rather than have everyone with their max minimum safe fly zone, compact it a little and have periodic buffer zones between sub grids. I am actually astonished at the ability of fliers to recover and get back into place having watched a variety of videos since this whole process got going. As long as there is a viable breeze the fliers seem to have a real focus on 'getting back into place' and carrying on. The Grid helps as far as I can tell whereas the 'left to right following line' is more risky. Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 The way this economy is going, Start the fund raising now by next year there might be enough to buy coffee in the morning Hey, we managed to get iQuad to Portsmouth and Bristol last year with their 'fund raising efforts' as well. Do you not think that the reverse process may not be possible even with the current economic climate? We may need some encouragement... TFS also! Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortflyer Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 (edited) Hey, we managed to get iQuad to Portsmouth and Bristol last year with their 'fund raising efforts' as well. Do you not think that the reverse process may not be possible even with the current economic climate?We may need some encouragement... TFS also! Felix I'm all for it Felix I'm currently conspiring ways to raise funds to go myself next year. (hopefully rev doesn't come out with ultra pro's) every year I seem to ditch going to wildwood for the newest kite set Edited June 8, 2009 by FortFlyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerochic Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 It's the 25th Anniversary of the festival next year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortflyer Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 It's the 25th Anniversary of the festival next year... Sure jack up the pressure even more why don't ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerochic Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Sure jack up the pressure even more why don't ya Hey, I'll take any opportunity I can to get all of my flier friends in one spot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Sure jack up the pressure even more why don't ya I am working* on the '100' which would probably need to involve European and Japanese teams. Any indicative support would be very much appreciated. *A very tentative project at this stage. Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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