Rev training day in the UK

[woody65]

Contained within an email from Bob:

"Though I have to say, it was my understanding that Stephen had made STACK membership a requirement of the Ainsdale gathering and as the Dunstable gathering is now officially sanctioned by STACK I can not see how we could relax that ruling."

All news to me, as responsible kiters who fly a good deal and with all sorts of kites we have no need of further insurance or membership of any other organisations thank you Woody.

I agree John, £5.00 is not a lot for insurance but being as I already pay considerably more than that for adequate cover there is no point or need, in buying further insurance to fly in a public place.

As for all the organising, just name the place and the time, I will be there.

I did say where in BOB`s post, obviously i can`t be responsible for bob`s emails, but who cares anymore.

Once again can i tell people that Stack membership IS NOT COMPULSORY.

It was my idea to use Stack and obviously it was wrong and I will suggest that the event has nothing to do with stack, it will not be mentioned, stack T shirts will be banned, stack members will have to wear masks so that we are not recognised.

Hope that pleases the necessary people.

Why does trying to make a safe event have to be so hard?

[Baloo]

Can I ask everone to take a deep breath and relax for a few seconds.

Please take note of John B's request and try to find solutions rather than presuming things or firing back comments rather than facts.

We all need to know tha facts, and I am SURE that all that are involved with organising this get together are working hard and trying to do what they think is best.

Stephen as I understand it has requested that all fliers carry Insurance, a good and sensible idea. I hope all will agree with this.

As I understand it, as far as Ainsdale was concerned the suggestion was that if someone had no Insurance a way of doing this was to join STACK??

January is now a STACK better flying Day?? and as such stack membership till the end of the "year" can be aquired for £5.00. This seems a good deal if you have no Insurance however if you already have Insurance you need to bring proof of it??

As far as the 20th raffle is concerned I would say it is up to the donator/organisers to decide how this is to be done. If they are free tickets great, if you have to pay for tickets then it is up to you if and how many you buy?? Personaly if you have to buy tickets I could buy loads as I want a 20th kite but cant afford the full price;-)

Please note the ?? marks are put in place as I do not KNOW these things, they are how I presume or hope it might be.

The sooner all the questions can be answerd, and I THINK most of them have been if you read and decipher the above posts rather than get annoyed with each other.

PLEASE PLEASE make this a fantastic weekend, I am sure it will be, spare a thought for Stephen and think how he must feel reading some of the comments.

Take a deep breath and give the team time to get together and sort things out.

Please dont make this get together which is not an event into a NON EVENT.

[thekiteden]

Can I ask everone to take a deep breath and relax for a few seconds.

Please take note of John B's request and try to find solutions rather than presuming things or firing back comments rather than facts.

We all need to know tha facts, and I am SURE that all that are involved with organising this get together are working hard and trying to do what they think is best.

Stephen as I understand it has requested that all fliers carry Insurance, a good and sensible idea. I hope all will agree with this.

As I understand it, as far as Ainsdale was concerned the suggestion was that if someone had no Insurance a way of doing this was to join STACK??

January is now a STACK better flying Day?? and as such stack membership till the end of the "year" can be aquired for £5.00. This seems a good deal if you have no Insurance however if you already have Insurance you need to bring proof of it??

As far as the 20th raffle is concerned I would say it is up to the donator/organisers to decide how this is to be done. If they are free tickets great, if you have to pay for tickets then it is up to you if and how many you buy?? Personaly if you have to buy tickets I could buy loads as I want a 20th kite but cant afford the full price;-)

Please note the ?? marks are put in place as I do not KNOW these things, they are how I presume or hope it might be.

The sooner all the questions can be answerd, and I THINK most of them have been if you read and decipher the above posts rather than get annoyed with each other.

PLEASE PLEASE make this a fantastic weekend, I am sure it will be, spare a thought for Stephen and think how he must feel reading some of the comments.

Take a deep breath and give the team time to get together and sort things out.

Please dont make this get together which is not an event into a NON EVENT.

breathing in...breathing out lighting up..merry christmas all

[Stephen Hoath]

Can I ask everone to take a deep breath and relax for a few seconds.

Please take note of John B's request and try to find solutions rather than presuming things or firing back comments rather than facts.

Please dont make this get together which is not an event into a NON EVENT.

Hello one and all.

Firtsly, thank you all for caring about this weekend enough to post your thoughts and concerns. Rest assured they have all been carefully considered and the comments taken on board. Sorry for the length this reply is going to be.

Now, John & Chris have the point well made. We all want the same thing, we are all working together to have a great day/s however, I would appreciate it if we could keep our enthusiasm down to a dull rore! The neighbourse are watching

Now to address everyones points so that we can forget about this thread over the holidays and lookforward to a stunning weekend.

• Unfortunately in the current environment it is an essential that fliers have appropriate insurance cover. This is for the protection of non kitefliers/ members of the public who, in the main, do not understand the kites or that walking through lines hurts or that standing under a kite may not be the safest place. I used to deal with injury claims for a living and £2M does not go far.
  We will be flying on a National Trust field which is extremely popular at all times of the year (arrive early if you want a parking space ) the manager of the site is happy for us to be there on the strict understanding that we are not a danger to the rest of the users of the site. Insurance is essential.
  Who you insure with is entirely up to you. As several of you have kindly mentioned, many club fliers have insurance as part of the membership, some of you will have home insurance that covers the situation, others may have nothing specific at this stage. For those of you who don't have insurance I would recommend getting some. I would join STACK anyway as it is not all about competition (hey maybe us non competing members may be able to steer the STACK events if there are enough of us - sorry getting side tracked) and there are plenty of other benefits.
  

What we are trying to avoid is that anyone, who has played even a small role in bringing this fabulous opportunity together, is at the smallest risk of accountability in the very unlikely event of a Negligence claim. I love you all dearly but I am not going to go to Court because some passer by walked across a set of lines and hurt themselves. The Law would almost certainly consider that Bob, Gary, Paul or myself (to name just a few) would have a "Joint & Several Liability"

I hope that this has closed this chapter, if not PM me please and I will do all I can to answer your questions.

20th Anniversary Kite

Now I wouldn't mind getting my hands on this myself. It looks fantastic. We are extremely grateful to KiteWorld for donating it. (They volunteered becuase this is what they love to do - I would hope they don't have to but their own beer Saturday night )

We have yet to arrive at an appropriate way of giving the kite away so any practicle solutions would be welcomed. So to kick off, my idea would be to give everyone a "ticket" who can evidence some form of insurance. (can you see what i did there? )

So lets get creative and come up with some thing good (and fun would be better) What about best fancy dress costume. Best Rev flier from Bedford called Stephen........

Have a great holiday all and see you all at the no stress, maximum fun, DEFFINATELY NOT AN EVENT in January.

[sailor99]

Glad to see peace and light seems to have descended once again.

Personally (and I appreciate this is unlikely to apply to all, or even many,people who are thinking of coming to the non-event) I am one of those who does not have insurance. And, fully agreeing with the idea that this is not an intelligent state of affairs, I was very happy to receive the suggestion of STACK membership. That the fiver I pay will go to an organisation that is helping to develop and support the sport is a bonus. Either way, and most importantly, it would be a real shame if a little dispute such as this put people off from attending the non-event.

My penny's worth on the kite - Maybe we could pay a small sum for a ticket and donate the money somewhere appropriate. Perhaps the good people at KiteWorld may have a suggestion of a suitable charity. Alternatively it could perhaps go to the national trust as a thank you for allowing us to 'not stage an event'. The second would arguably do a small service to the PR image of kiting.

J

[woody65]

As i have now recieved a threatening PM i am "pulling my horns in".

I do not want to be involved in an event where people have no insurance or will not allow it to be checked.

I am no longer involved in the organisation of the event .

Merry Xmas

Paul

[Stephen Hoath]

My penny's worth on the kite - Maybe we could pay a small sum for a ticket and donate the money somewhere appropriate. Perhaps the good people at KiteWorld may have a suggestion of a suitable charity. Alternatively it could perhaps go to the national trust as a thank you for allowing us to 'not stage an event'. The second would arguably do a small service to the PR image of kiting.

J

I like these ideas better than my fancy dress idea (besides have you seen the price of ball gowns this year ) Just a thought, I know around that area there is a big push to reintroduce the Red Kite bird of prey, that may be a good charitable cause that is (very) tenuously linked.

Keep the ideas coming.

ps. Just to re confirm, this is not automaticaly a team flying weekend. Whilst I am sure some of that will happen (it is fun) the main goal is to see everyone, have a good time and to improve our skills. I expect I will spend most of my time coaching individuals so if you have some things you want to be able to do, post them hear and we will see if there are any common themes.

[Baloo]

Personaly it would be good to be able to take off and land. At least that would be a start.

OK I am not quite that bad. Simple stuff like Clockwork and Cycle turns. if I could come away knowing those that would be great. Anything ovet that a bonus.

As for the 20th maybe a ticket each and then buy more tickets if you want to (and I would want to) as for the Kite donation to a Kite(s) that sounds fun. Could always split the donation.

I was thinking maybe give the 20th tothe youngest flyer but then that could easily go to the Hoath family. That would be a great shame wouldnt it.

Of course I will be bringing the iQuad kite when I win that.

Sorry you wont be attending Paul, hope you and everyone else has a spiffing Christmas.

[pudsli]

hi all.

nice to see that all the confusion has been sorted out.

i think it was me who set the ball rolling on the topic, but hey ho, thats me.

sorry if i upset anyone.

look forward to coming down to your neck of the woods.

will be nice to see Mr Stephen Hoath again.

a donation would be nice , and it given to a good cause for the kite.

hope everyone has a great christmas and happy new year.

see you all in January.

all the best steve.

[Mitchy]

Glad to see peace and light seems to have descended once again.

Personally (and I appreciate this is unlikely to apply to all, or even many,people who are thinking of coming to the non-event) I am one of those who does not have insurance. And, fully agreeing with the idea that this is not an intelligent state of affairs, I was very happy to receive the suggestion of STACK membership. That the fiver I pay will go to an organisation that is helping to develop and support the sport is a bonus. Either way, and most importantly, it would be a real shame if a little dispute such as this put people off from attending the non-event.

My penny's worth on the kite - Maybe we could pay a small sum for a ticket and donate the money somewhere appropriate. Perhaps the good people at KiteWorld may have a suggestion of a suitable charity. Alternatively it could perhaps go to the national trust as a thank you for allowing us to 'not stage an event'. The second would arguably do a small service to the PR image of kiting.

J

Hi all

I am glad things have settled down on this thread, and I have just got off the phone from

Michael having spoken about the Anniversary Rev we have donated.

A few people have mentioned that Kiteworld might have some suggestions.

Our proposal would be that everyone that attends at the weekend is given one ticket that would

be drawn against winning the Rev. That way regardless of who you are or how much money you

might have you still have the same chance.

Stephens idea of a donation to the reintroduction of the Red Kite (bird of prey) also seemed a great idea.

With this in mind Michael would like to donate a Revolution Bag that can be raffled for money to help this

worthwhile cause.

Hope this meets with everyones approval, but the weekend is Stephens and this is just our suggestion !

We are really looking forward to the weekend

Wishing you all a very happy Christmas and a wonderful New Year

Dave M

Kiteworld

[play365]

Hi all

I am glad things have settled down on this thread, and I have just got off the phone from

Michael having spoken about the Anniversary Rev we have donated.

A few people have mentioned that Kiteworld might have some suggestions.

Our proposal would be that everyone that attends at the weekend is given one ticket that would

be drawn against winning the Rev. That way regardless of who you are or how much money you

might have you still have the same chance.

Stephens idea of a donation to the reintroduction of the Red Kite (bird of prey) also seemed a great idea.

With this in mind Michael would like to donate a Revolution Bag that can be raffled for money to help this

worthwhile cause.

Hope this meets with everyones approval, but the weekend is Stephens and this is just our suggestion !

We are really looking forward to the weekend

Wishing you all a very happy Christmas and a wonderful New Year

Dave M

Kiteworld

Well thank you very much

[johnnmitchell]

Hi all

I am glad things have settled down on this thread, and I have just got off the phone from

Michael having spoken about the Anniversary Rev we have donated.

snip .....

Dave M

Kiteworld

This is very kind of you.

For me it is utterly impossible to attend.

You all have a swell time!

[Stephen Hoath]

This is very kind of you.

For me it is utterly impossible to attend.

You all have a swell time!

John, you know this is typical of you.....no commitment to the cause..

Seriously though. it's a shame you can't be here but frankly, New Years Day in San Diego is a far more attractive proposition than Luton in January.

Merry Christmas

[johnnmitchell]

John, you know this is typical of you.....no commitment to the cause..

Seriously though. it's a shame you can't be here but frankly, New Years Day in San Diego is a far more attractive proposition than Luton in January.

Merry Christmas

Hopefully as nice as last year as can be seen in the photos here http://johnnmitchell.load4.net/3-Photograp...7/SDNY2007.html

Happy Holidays!!!!

[thekiteden]

hi all.

nice to see that all the confusion has been sorted out.

Seems I too must say that I seem to got off on a bad start on this forum and am sorry it came across the way it did...Its good its all sorted out and steve is happy as is everyone else.

TOP MARKS to Mike,Steve and Dave(kiteworld) for the sorting of the raffle with the wonderful prizes..

for me all i entend to do at the weekend is to have fun flying/training with me revs and meeting some old and new faces for the first time in 2008,I will also bring the rev cam incase any one is intrested in aerial photos/video and I know harrier is bringing his K.A.P KITES(Dave.. told him you want to see him about this)even with all the fun this weekend will be but I would rather be with John in the sun.....lucky man.

anyway see you all on the day and have a very happy xmas

[big bri]

Hi, Bruce Willis here .Been on my works DO.Missed most of the MELAY on here .

Great all is well again .iVE HAD A BIT OF A SAD ON SINCE READING the thread on Friday.Mr Jack Daniels helped all he could last night,but i feel much better after reading from where i read up to on Friday T Time.

Cant wait for a nice weekends kite flying,mixing,helping,being helped,some drinking,LOVEING,LAUGHING AND WEEKEND I HOPE WE ALL WILL REMEMBER FOR A LONG LONG TIME and one we can repeat again..Make some new freinds and pick up with some Old Freinds.KEWL.

Its good to see all the comments by EVERYONE.Shows a passion for the sport.Sometimes i do think that how things are typed or written can read quite diffrent to some people, ALLSORT AND ALL THAT.Roll on January.

Woody,

I hope you reconsider not comeing. We will start a LOVE WOODY CAMPAIGN if ya dont come.Ive never met ya,but i and a few others will miss someone of your considerable skill and experiance.Your passion is obvious and is going to realy help everyone.

WE KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE WOODY AND WE WILL COME AND MAKE YA FLY IN YR JIM JAMS,If yr lucky enough to be wearing any.We all appreciate what you chaps have organised and i for one would like to Spank you all in person .Water under the Bridge,live and let live.......

I also hope it doesnt put a SINGLE PERSON OFF.Let carry on from here in the way us Brits usually do.

The 20yrs ans kite,

Stephen and Mike[Kiteworld],cheers,its a special prize and one that everyone will want to win.A fantastic gesture. TOP BLOKES I RECKON.Thanks very much .

Have a very Merry Christmas guys and gals.Its the season of goodwill to all men.Being a Lancastrian,i have to be nice to Yorkshiremen,Aussies and Traffic Wardens.

All The Best Gang

BRIAN...ps,Bob,we LOVE YA,AND SKUNK BRING THE LIGHTS MATE see ya all soon.

[thekiteden]

"Woody,

I hope you reconsider not comeing. We will start a LOVE WOODY CAMPAIGN if ya dont come.Ive never met ya,but i and a few others will miss someone of your considerable skill and experiance.Your passion is obvious and is going to realy help everyone.

WE KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE WOODY AND WE WILL COME AND MAKE YA FLY IN YR JIM JAMS,If yr lucky enough to be wearing any.We all appreciate what you chaps have organised and i for one would like to Spank you all in person .Water under the Bridge,live and let live.......

All The Best Gang"

Yeah Woody that goes from me too,dont drop out theres a place on the field with your name on it ..pick your 'pecker' up(woody wood pecker bad joke)and get your skills there for us all to see.Skunky aint always this moody its this orrible cold weather and not kiting enough thats getting me like this .....LOVE WOODY CAMPAIGN

[Stone in Shoe Bob]

Firstly I would like to thank the people who have worked to calm the waters and to get this thread back on track, I won’t mention anybody specifically as what we now have is still only a very fragile peace and I do not want to risk causing further offence by omission, you know who you are, thank you.

I have spent quite some time trying to compose an apology to everyone for all the trouble that has erupted from my SKACK posting but to be frank I don’t think I have anything to apologise for.

A while back I was asked by Stephen to investigate the options and come up with a recommendation that would cover everyone involved if something went wrong. I fully appreciate that everyone has a right to asses the risks for themselves and to make their own decisions. However I was concerned that if something went wrong and the person responsible was not insured, some smart ass lawyer may decide that someone else present was an event organiser and was therefore ultimately responsible.

Having investigated the options, I made my recommendations. The problem was a few people decided that £5.00 was a high price to pay to safeguard everyone’s security and started throwing their toys out of the pram. Now it seems everyone is doing their own thing.

I am still really looking forward to the weekend and I have invested far too much time into preparations for the weekend to miss it now but I intend to take no further part in it’s planning in case the brown stuff finds it’s way into the fan.

I have spent the last 26 years paying my mortgage and don’t intend risking getting sued and loosing all I have worked for because some numpty is too tight to part with a fiver.

I am still more than happy to pass on STACK Application Forms to those that think membership might be a good idea.

Happy Christmas one and all.

[woody65]

"Woody,

I hope you reconsider not comeing. We will start a LOVE WOODY CAMPAIGN if ya dont come.Ive never met ya,but i and a few others will miss someone of your considerable skill and experiance.Your passion is obvious and is going to realy help everyone.

WE KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE WOODY AND WE WILL COME AND MAKE YA FLY IN YR JIM JAMS,If yr lucky enough to be wearing any.We all appreciate what you chaps have organised and i for one would like to Spank you all in person .Water under the Bridge,live and let live.......

All The Best Gang"

Yeah Woody that goes from me too,dont drop out theres a place on the field with your name on it ..pick your 'pecker' up(woody wood pecker bad joke)and get your skills there for us all to see.Skunky aint always this moody its this orrible cold weather and not kiting enough thats getting me like this .....LOVE WOODY CAMPAIGN

Thanks for the support guys

The reason i pulled out of the organisation of the event is the same as bobs, we don`t want to get sued if it all goes wrong because people don`t have insurance.

Anyway not my problem now and i`ve also learn that it`s too hard trying too please everybody so in future i`ll leave the organising to others.

As bob says we`ve put too much into it to not attend so I will be there.

See you in 2008.

[Baloo]

Fully appreciate your concerns Bob, I think it only right that anyone flying in the "group" should be ready to show evidence of Insurance B4 being asked to take part in the learning exersise.

Pleased that you have decided to come Woody.

I have been involed in organising a number of things. One thing I have learned is the old saying is absolutly right.

You can please all of the people some of the time, some all the time but never all of them all of the time.

Lets face it no two folks are the same, wouldnt it be a boreing World if we were all the same. At least we all have one thing in common, this wonderfull Revolution family.

[big bri]

Well said Chris.Are you wrapping prezzies to mate[its late].

Glad your in and up for it Woody .Dont over sleep though on day one

Bob,

thanks again mate for your help.I think everyone can see the concerns you had from the very early stages regarding insurance ,before Ainsdale took place you had thought of the implications it may have and who that may affect if someone was hurt .Welldone for raiseing the issue again.As far as an appol goes from you,Ye ok,we can all look at stuff and think what if.Dont hit yourself over it Bob.Because of you everyone now[sHOULD HAVE THE INSURANCE message for sure, and some accomadation,a nice place to drink and eat.Welldone Bob and everyone else involved.............

ALL TWENTY FOUR OF US,welldone, and a Merry Christmas to yaz all.

Have a goodn Everyone

BRIAN...

[woody65]

Fully appreciate your concerns Bob, I think it only right that anyone flying in the "group" should be ready to show evidence of Insurance B4 being asked to take part in the learning exersise.

That was my problem, one person was insisting he would NOT show evidence of insurance.

There should be more than 24 people, Stephen has got some surprise names to announce soon.

Woody

[Mitchy]

That was my problem, one person was insisting he would NOT show evidence of insurance.

There should be more than 24 people, Stephen has got some surprise names to announce soon.

Woody

You should really insist that Stephen shows you his insurance Woody

Seriously though I am glad the thread has settled down, Michael, Stephen and

myself are going to the KTAI conference in Portland in just under 2 weeks time,

where we will see Lolly, Ben and JB, having the Brits interfighting on the Rev forum

could be a bit embarrassing

I have a few ideas for the 20th Anniversary celebrations for next year in the UK

and it would be nice to be a pleasure and fun to organise, and not to much of a

nightmare

Anyway not long left until Santa arrives so I hope you all get what you put in your

letters to him (I am not sure he exists really)

Christmas Wishes

Dave M

Kiteworld

[big bri]

What do you Mean,does nt exist.

One of these days im gona grab him.He and his STACK of raindeer keep eatin mi mince pies.

Sometimes,Passion can be missunderstood and missdirected Dave.Thats what ive read about so far.Aloada guys and gals with a TRUE passion for what they LOVE doing.

Lets move on Gents.

Do we Have a HIGHT LIMIT at Dunstable.........

BRIAN...

[woody65]

Don`t mention Stephens insurance

Yes there is a height restriction but i`m not sure what it is.

We need to get special permission which is only normally given for the festival (hopefully 2 days in 2008)

You only need 120" lines anyway