Felix Posted December 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 Talked to John Mitchell in San Diego last Saturday, and he asked if I was following this thread. I told him that I had looked at some of it, but not the whole thing. Well, I have spent a good portion of today doing just that. There is way too much fun posted here. Lynn and I were in our first grid at Kite Party 8, a grid of 16. We were in several 16s as well as the 56 and 64 at WSIKF. The problem we have here is getting 16 fliers together. A few weeks ago we were in San Diego for a few days and had John Mason, Tom King, Carol and Cass Pittman (from Seattle, WA), Lynn and myself. We only needed 10 more Rev fliers. I'm not sure there are 10 more in Southern California who could/would fly in a grid, and if there are, getting them all in the same place at the same time, well, good luck. Perhaps New Years Day at Mariner Point in San Diego? Who's up for it? Hi Jim, The Super Sixteen is, in my view, a focus for the practicalities of large scale grid flying and the more regular fly ins. It may be that 25 - 30 fliers can turn up at an event which can result in a dramatic presentation for a short time but that there may be not much 'depth' in the type of moves that they can do or the links between them. Building a repertoire of moves/transitions with which all the fliers are familiar is going to be the way to develop this project. I think that you have to challenge So-Cal to get its act together in this instance. Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Foster Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 Hi Jim, The Super Sixteen is, in my view, a focus for the practicalities of large scale grid flying and the more regular fly ins. It may be that 25 - 30 fliers can turn up at an event which can result in a dramatic presentation for a short time but that there may be not much 'depth' in the type of moves that they can do or the links between them. Building a repertoire of moves/transitions with which all the fliers are familiar is going to be the way to develop this project. I think that you have to challenge So-Cal to get its act together in this instance. Felix We'll see who shows up for the New Years fly in San Diego. I think Kite Party 9 will most likely be the next opportunity to get that many Rev fliers together in So-Cal. There just doesn't seem to be a large enough number of Rev fliers here to get together for a 16 grid. The most I have have seen at any one time, except for KP, has been eight. Eight is great, but only half a grid. Perhaps a little more push on the part of us So-Cal fliers will help. We'll see. Desire may be another issue. Grid seems to be a bigger thing on your side of the pond. One little problem is that we usually leave So-Cal in May and don't return until October. We are looking hard at a trip across the pond in 2012. Berck, perhaps Cervia, UK for sure. Depends on dates for Berck. Hope it's not during Easter week again. Anyway, sure enjoy the grid posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnmitchell Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 The Categories D - 4 Blocks and F - 4 Rows have been disabled. They might be used at a later time. A NEW Category K - 4 Corners has been created, however animations are not yet available. They will be added in the next days. Keep tuned for more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 The Categories D - 4 Blocks and F - 4 Rows have been disabled. They might be used at a later time. A NEW Category K - 4 Corners has been created, however animations are not yet available. They will be added in the next days. Keep tuned for more! Fantastic developments here. The problem is that there are so many possibilities. <grins> Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnmitchell Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 It is especially mind boggling for me trying to keep it all straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone in Shoe Bob Posted December 16, 2010 Report Share Posted December 16, 2010 It is especially mind boggling for me trying to keep it all straight. I'm glad to hear it, you two lost me, and I suspect many others, good 150 posts ago. I am looking forward to seeing what you guys come up with though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2010 I'm glad to hear it, you two lost me, and I suspect many others, good 150 posts ago. I am looking forward to seeing what you guys come up with though. John is trying to avoid getting the lines of individual kites twisted! <grins> That is quite an undertaking... We are 'collectively' trying to come up with sequences of moves that can follow 'one to another' without reversing or repetition. By focusing on the detail, which is quite mind boggling at the outset, some aspect are becoming clearer. Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnmitchell Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Sorry, nothing new today. I was a bit involved in another REV related project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwmeek Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Maybe some new ideas here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone in Shoe Bob Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 (edited) And then there are Edited December 17, 2010 by Stone in Shoe Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 (edited) And then there are Did you see the group of performers on bicycles at the Blackheath Kite and Bike Festival this year? They were absolutely sublime. Felix Edited December 17, 2010 by Felix Mottram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andelscott Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Did you see the group of performers on bicycles at the Blackheath Kite and Bike Festival this year? They were absolutely sublime. I'm just having a vision of a well known team flying their routine whilst riding unicycles. I think I need to go and lie down now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnmitchell Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Today I added in Category K (4 Corners). It is a bit complicated and also has some bugs that I will correct very shortly. For the moment I will crash as I am a bit tired The back buttons are not returning you to the correct place, thus it is best for the moment to use the browser back feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnmitchell Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Today I added in Category K (4 Corners). It is a bit complicated and also has some bugs that I will correct very shortly. For the moment I will crash as I am a bit tired The back buttons are not returning you to the correct place, thus it is best for the moment to use the browser back feature. It appears that I now have all the bugs out of Category K. I have run into a problem of linking .swf files together over the internet. A separate program would have to be run in either Windows or Linux to do this. I would need my own private server to install a program such as this, because it wouldn't be allowed with a commercial Server such as GoDaddy. To top it off, this is a command line program. I am still looking for an alternative. Remember, these are .swf files which are very very small. These files could be converted to .mov or other format which will become large files. With this, there are more options. For the moment I am using swfcombine for this which means if you want a specific sequence, you would have to ask me to do it for you or you could install swfcombine and do it yourself. As far as I can determine swfcombine is not for MAC. However you could "try" to go into the command line environment of MAC, which is Unix and try to install the Linux version and see if it works. I sometimes have random access to a MAC, but I don't believe this would be permitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnmitchell Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 I have created a complete maneuver of all the Category K elements. It is at the bottom of Category K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 I have created a complete maneuver of all the Category K elements. It is at the bottom of Category K. Great work John... <grins> I must re-visit the sketch I did which switched to a diagonal return followed by a 16 block rotation to complete the sequence. Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnmitchell Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 Great work John... <grins> I must re-visit the sketch I did which switched to a diagonal return followed by a 16 block rotation to complete the sequence. Felix I can't seem to find that one in my binder. It must have been more then a month ago. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 (edited) I can't seem to find that one in my binder. It must have been more then a month ago. John 28th November I think as in the attached image. EDIT Not sure if it works <grins> Felix Edited December 21, 2010 by Felix Mottram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnmitchell Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 28th November I think as in the attached image. EDIT Not sure if it works <grins> Felix Sorry, we are have a network issue at the moment. The network is very sporadic. The way I understand this is that the outer red groups will rotate ACW while moving inward in a straight path as designated by the green arrow ending up in their original position being the circled blue. This could be a interpreted as a group bicycle rotation to the center. Ouch!!!!!! What is confusing is the ACW rotation shown in the blue. Is that and additional all groups rotation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 <snip> What is confusing is the ACW rotation shown in the blue. Is that and additional all groups rotation? The top blue circle shows the original position of the four blocks. The bottom blue circle indicates a 16 block rotation back to the grid. Maybe! <grins> Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnmitchell Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 The top blue circle shows the original position of the four blocks. The bottom blue circle indicates a 16 block rotation back to the grid. Maybe! <grins> Felix Do you mean a spiral inward rotation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 Do you mean a spiral inward rotation? I didn't but there is that possibility! I thought, fly the blocks in straight to hit the 16 Diamond, and then 'rotate'. Just for clarity, the turns for each of the four blocks were envisaged as 'parallel' not 'following'. Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 (edited) Do you mean a spiral inward rotation? And then, slightly off topic, (EDIT but in response to the alliteration) I think we should fly to a tune (from Trout Mask Replica) by Captain Beefheart who sadly passed away just recently. I met with Don and his wife Jan when he did an exhibition in London many years ago. A colleague and I joined them at their hotel to drink 'bottled Guiness'. A precious memory! RIP Felix Edited December 22, 2010 by Felix Mottram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portlandflyer Posted December 23, 2010 Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 Didn't Captain Beefheart do some stuff with Frank Zappa?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 Didn't Captain Beefheart do some stuff with Frank Zappa?? Indeed he did! Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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