Super Sixteen

[johnnmitchell]

OK, talking of morphing, what does 'the panel' think would be the best way to move to a 'four kites per leg pin wheel' starting from the 4x4 grid?

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(Roughly speaking <grins>)

Felix

I have already thought about that one and made notes.

I would morph to a large diamond. Then I would move one leg of each side to the center in a radar fashion.

This meaning one end of the diamond side would stay stationary with the other end pivoting around it to the center.

Sorry, I have not animated it yet but almost did it yesterday. But then I gave the priority to your box diamonds.

[johnnmitchell]

Right now I have enough elements that I will start organizing this all a bit.

This is the first element, surely there will be more:

1. Ground to ZigZag position (done)

1.1 ZigZag to four Horizontal Diamonds (done)

1.1.1 Four Horizontal Diamonds to 3 then 2 then 1 diamond and return to 4 (done)

1.1.2 Four Horizontal Diamonds to one large diamond (planned for Felix)

1.1.2.1 Large Diamond to Pinwheel (planned for Felix)

1.2 ZigZag to Box Diamonds (ready not published)

1.2.1 Box Diamonds to Gears (ready not published)

Each element is a Flash movie. These element can be linked together into a single Flash movie.

[Stephen]

OK, talking of morphing, what does 'the panel' think would be the best way to move to a 'four kites per leg pin wheel' starting from the 4x4 grid?

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....../\

...../...\

..../......\

.../.........\

(Roughly speaking <grins>)

Felix

Hi Felix,

The easiest way is to start with John's vertical diamonds in hi octal diamonds but instead of opening out the centre of the two diamond formation to open out the top and bottom instead.

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......... \../............\../............/....\

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I hate ascii graphics and now have even more respect for what John is doing.

Is the next step to pinwheel 90 degrees (star promenade 1/4 or Counter rotate 1/4) and then morph back into twin horizontal diamonds and then on to zig-zags?

Cheers

Stephen

[johnnmitchell]

Hi Felix,

The easiest way is to start with John's vertical diamonds in hi octal diamonds but instead of opening out the centre of the two diamond formation to open out the top and bottom instead.

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Cheers

Stephen

That is another very nice way to do it. I'll put it on my list.

[Felix]

Hi Felix,

The easiest way is to start with John's vertical diamonds in hi octal diamonds but instead of opening out the centre of the two diamond formation to open out the top and bottom instead.

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I hate ascii graphics and now have even more respect for what John is doing.

Is the next step to pinwheel 90 degrees (star promenade 1/4 or Counter rotate 1/4) and then morph back into twin horizontal diamonds and then on to zig-zags?

Cheers

Stephen

Hi Stephen,

I was overlooking the potential significance of the steps already described up to the 'octal diamonds'. I was wondering about a more direct morph from the 4x4 grid to the pinwheeel.

The next step would be 90 degrees and so on. Again, the idea of morphing rather than simply reversing is interesting.

Felix

[johnnmitchell]

Hi Stephen,

I was overlooking the potential significance of the steps already described up to the 'octal diamonds'. I was wondering about a more direct morph from the 4x4 grid to the pinwheeel.

The next step would be 90 degrees and so on. Again, the idea of morphing rather than simply reversing is interesting.

Felix

With my idea of going from the diamond would mean a reverse flight of 45 degrees pivoting towards the center, around the outer kites outer tip.

With Stephen's idea the outer to kites of the diamond would fly forward pivoting around the inner tip of the inner of those two outer kites and then then it would require a 180 degree rotate of all kites in one leg of the X, meaning both top and bottom of that leg.

Another, maybe more elaborate move would be taking the diamond and rotating on the outer kites outer tip 315 degrees. when the tips meet in the center go into the pinwheel spin to take that wrap of lines out. However there might be insufficient room at top and bottom of the wind window to perform this.

I will animate all three after i have published work already completed today and the organization is worked over.

[Felix]

With my idea of going from the diamond would mean a reverse flight of 45 degrees pivoting towards the center, around the outer kites outer tip.

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I was thinking of a forward rotation which just triggered another idea which would involved each group of four adopting a forward facing position around the 16 grid:-

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Felix

[johnnmitchell]

I was thinking of a forward rotation which just triggered another idea which would involved each group of four adopting a forward facing position around the 16 grid:-

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Felix

I am not quite with you there. In reference to the compass which way are they facing?

Upper group 270?

Bottom group 90?

or ?

I am also presuming you are only showing two of four groups of kites. Or am I wrong there?

[johnnmitchell]

The Super16 Web Site has now been reworked.

I will be adding in the latest maneuvers from yesterday evening shorty.

[rcom714]

I AM SO LOVING THIS THREAD AND ALL ITS POSSIBILITIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[johnnmitchell]

I AM SO LOVING THIS THREAD AND ALL ITS POSSIBILITIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Down in the lower right corner there is a little green button that says "Vote this post up" or something like that..

[Felix]

I am not quite with you there. In reference to the compass which way are they facing?

Upper group 270?

Bottom group 90?

or ?

I am also presuming you are only showing two of four groups of kites. Or am I wrong there?

Top left 4 facing right, top right 4 facing down, bottom right 4 facing left, bottom left 4 facing up...

Felix

[johnnmitchell]

I'm crashing now. I'll be back on it 6 or 7 hours.

Pls check out the web site change.

John

[rcom714]

Down in the lower right corner there is a little green button that says "Vote this post up" or something like that..

Done!

[Felix]

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I'm thinking that momentum is developing <grins>

Felix

[johnnmitchell]

Top left 4 facing right, top right 4 facing down, bottom right 4 facing left, bottom left 4 facing up...

Felix

This is what I have interpreted:

I see some great possibilities to build maneuvers from this.

[Felix]

This is what I have interpreted:

I see some great possibilities to build maneuvers from this.

That's the one. Very easy to get into as well.

I basically answered the previous question I posed regarding the 8 kite diameter 4 way pinwheel! The back pairs could just slide outwards and forwards slightly and we have it in a vertical/horizontal configuration.

Felix

[Stephen]

That's the one. Very easy to get into as well.

I basically answered the previous question I posed regarding the 8 kite diameter 4 way pinwheel! The back pairs could just slide outwards and forwards slightly and we have it in a vertical/horizontal configuration.

Felix

Or you could have the outer lead of each foursome slide out and allow the trailers in between the leaders, or the lead pair slide out and let the trailing pair move straight up, or even have the leads slide out with the outer trailer moving up and diagonally between them to split them as the inner trailer moves up to become the new centre.

There are many ways ahead, some of which may be more suitable depending upon what happened previously, or what is going to happen next.

I see plenty of opportunities for some interesting choreography, and chances for it to go terribly wrong.

It all depends upon the wraps.

Cheers

Stephen

[Felix]

Or you could have the outer lead of each foursome slide out and allow the trailers in between the leaders, or the lead pair slide out and let the trailing pair move straight up, or even have the leads slide out with the outer trailer moving up and diagonally between them to split them as the inner trailer moves up to become the new centre.

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Cheers

Stephen

Stephen,

There is some interesting 'terminology' in what you are saying which could be very useful. The 'foursome' is clearly each of the four groups of four. The 'outer lead' is initially less clear but maybe I can assume that it is the 'outermost' kite of the overall square and that what you suggest is that those kites move outwards and take up the diagonal configuration with the other kites sliding into place. Is the 'inner trailer' referring to the four central kites?

Felix

[Stephen]

Stephen,

There is some interesting 'terminology' in what you are saying which could be very useful. The 'foursome' is clearly each of the four groups of four. The 'outer lead' is initially less clear but maybe I can assume that it is the 'outermost' kite of the overall square and that what you suggest is that those kites move outwards and take up the diagonal configuration with the other kites sliding into place. Is the 'inner trailer' referring to the four central kites?

Felix

Hi Felix,

Sorry this is the square dance caller coming out in me. In square dancing we have standardised terminology so that you can call or dance throughout the world using the same terminology.

In square dancing we tend to reduce formations into the smallest applicable subset for each figure.

In your formation I saw four identical groups of 4 each rotated 90 degrees to each other. I therefore reduced the choreography into one block of 4 and relied on the other blocks carrying out identical choreography. I saw

AABB

AABB

CCDD

CCDD

where each letter was a block of 4. Each member of each block is facing the same way therefore in the block there are two leaders (facing out of the block or away from the centre of the block) and two trailers (facing into the centre of the block). A leader and trailer are known as a tandem formation (like the bicycle). Using the VERY CENTRE (referring to the centre of the 16) as a reference point each block of 4 has a outer leader, an inner leader, an outer trailer and an inner trailer. Also you could say there is an outer tandem and an inner tandem.

3>1>..4..3

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4>2>..2..1

...........V..V

..^..^<2<4

..1..2.........

..^..^<1<3

..3..4.........

Each block is

^..^

1..2

^..^

3..4

In each block 1&2 are leaders, 3&4 are trailers.

Relative to the centre of the 16 1&3 are the outer tandem, 2&4 are the inner tandem, 1 is an outer leader, 2 is an inner leader, 3 an outer trailer and 4 an inner trailer.

Trailers veer left or out would result in each block becoming 3412 and a line.

Put the trailers in would result in a 1342 line.

Leaders slide out trailers extend would result in a 1234 line

Sorry this is getting far too involved and my ascii art is rubbish but the points of ^><V are the noses or leading edges.^^ is two kites leading edge up

Cheers

Stephen

[Felix]

Hi Felix,

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Sorry this is getting far too involved and my ascii art is rubbish but the points of ^><V are the noses or leading edges.^^ is two kites leading edge up

Cheers

Stephen

Hi Stephen,

Thanks for the explanation. It made perfect sense but we may not be able to take it all on immediately <grins>

Felix

[johnnmitchell]

Today I did a bit revamping of the Super 16 Web Site at: http://gyraphicdesign.com/Super16

I hope you all like it.

The direction I am heading is to create many elements as .swf files that can be assembled together for one long routine.

This is feasible but will take some time.

Now refer to the ZigZag page.

An example is Item 1.2 "Zig Zag to Box Diamonds". This is one element. Another element would be the reverse of 1.2.

Item 1.2.1 "Box Diamonds to Gears" is an element that can fit between item 1.2 and the reverse of 1.2.

Item 1.1 is the element to setup for item 1.1.1

Item 1.1.1 could itself be broken up into two or more elements.

[johnnmitchell]

I added in the first item for 2-Horizontal Line.

I have also played a bit with backgrounds.

Over the next days I don't expect to get much done.

It is not because of the holidays. It is because I have two other projects that I must work on.

If anyone has ideas, PLEASE sketch it out on paper and then scan it and send to us. It is much easier to decipher that then to try to decipher your ASCII text drawings.

[johnnmitchell]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Believe it or not I made some updates to the Super16 Website.

[Felix]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Believe it or not I made some updates to the Super16 Website.

Thank you for all your efforts.

I will avoid ascii attempts to describe ideas but how about the 4 diamonds or squares setting off 'in formation' diagonally or horizontally/vertically executing a cw/acw turn, moving around the outer perimeter one quarter and then tuning back in towards the centre with the possibility of 'hitting the grid' or passing through to the opposite perimeter <grins>

I thought of this as I was cycling home this evening...

Felix