KiteLife Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 I'd like to see Stephen get in in these discussions as well, he's been strangely absent for a while now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Also, perhaps a dedicated section of this forum, hosting said discussions? Set to so all can read, but most categories in the section can only be posted to by those "registered" and acknowledged by the panel. In addition, have one "waiting room" section in the same area where anyone can post, challenge or question. Last but not least, one section accessible only to the panel, for internal discussions. JB, Now you are talking gospel too!. This and the last post too. I love it... And yes Stephen is probably on holiday re. your following post. Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiteLife Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 So... What would such a fine organization be called, officially? International Revolution Team Registry = IRTR (it's bloody long and the acronym doesn't ring well) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiteLife Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 World Revolution Team Initiative = WRTI or "werty" *that*cough*sucks*cough* But you see where I'm going... It's not a guild, club, clique or syndicate. It's a registry or initiative, imho, as I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 So... What would such a fine organization be called, officially? International Revolution Team Registry = IRTR (it's bloody long and the acronym doesn't ring well) Revolution Team Fliers Mailinglist? <grins> Let's worry about that later... Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 So... What would such a fine organization be called, officially? International Revolution Team Registry = IRTR (it's bloody long and the acronym doesn't ring well) If its an Acronym your after John what about RITER = Revolution International Team Enrolment Register. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiteLife Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 A step in the right direction, for sure... A small trim down from that, somehow, perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big bri Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Hi fellas,Merry Christmas to ya. Great idea Felix,good Topic.Much food for thought. BRIAN... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 A step in the right direction, for sure... A small trim down from that, somehow, perhaps. Going back to the practical considerations, at 16 it is no big deal, at 36 things get to be serious, 64 we haven't seen yet. One other issue I would return to is that all participants should be relaxed and that it should be a 'fun' event in which to participate. OK some adrenaline may be obligatory but that may be outside the control of the organisers. Up at Ainsdale there was a range of capabilities which were largely accommodated. Those fliers who were 'stretched' know who they are... Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiteLife Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Another thought, I'd be somewhat opposed to prefacing the group's title with Revolution as it implies that this is a Revolution organization when it's not, this is an organization of fliers who use Rev style kites. Also, a correction Felix... I did have *exactly* 64 fliers at WSIKF last August, although they weren't all in clean formation. I expect to surpass 80 in 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Another thought, I'd be somewhat opposed to prefacing the group's title with Revolution as it implies that this is a Revolution organization when it's not, this is an organization of fliers who use Rev style kites. Also, a correction Felix... I did have *exactly* 64 fliers at WSIKF last August, although they weren't all in clean formation. I expect to surpass 80 in 2010. 'International Register of...' is where I started! I am happy to be corrected on the count of 64 but You Know What I Mean. I think that this is precisely what we are discussing. <grins> Please let us know which event we should focus on to get 20 additional fliers from around the world to attend. I trust that your 80 will be fully compliant. <grins> Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiteLife Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 No, mine won't be compliant, simply because we're still building our ranks... Frankly, North America doesn't have the advantage of having over a dozen qualified teams and countless more qualified pilots. Add to that the fact we don't have as many events with large flier attendance, or nearly as much space at most of our events. We're starting from the ground up, whereas you've got a decade or so head start on us (not counting the Decorators tenure of 20+). We'll get there, but it's still very organic here, we have to be a little more open and encouraging. However, there will be a "filtered" set of attempts with only 'registered' pilots (maybe 50 or so), just to show what is possible. == As for how to get 20 more to show up... Open the floodgates, it's the only way at this point in time. Not practical for sure, I damned near pulled my hair out herding those 64 cats at WSIKF, but it was a necessary step. On the up side, roughly 45-50 of our fliers had radios, all on my channel, plus the announcer's microphone on me at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 No, mine won't be compliant, simply because we're still building our ranks... Frankly, North America doesn't have the advantage of having over a dozen qualified teams and countless more qualified pilots. Add to that the fact we don't have as many events with large flier attendance, or nearly as much space at most of our events. We're starting from the ground up, whereas you've got a decade or so head start on us (not counting the Decorators tenure of 20+). We'll get there, but it's still very organic here, we have to be a little more open and encouraging. However, there will be a "filtered" set of attempts with only 'registered' pilots (maybe 50 or so), just to show what is possible. == As for how to get 20 more to show up... Open the floodgates, it's the only way at this point in time. Not practical for sure, I damned near pulled my hair out herding those 64 cats at WSIKF, but it was a necessary step. On the up side, roughly 45-50 of our fliers had radios, all on my channel, plus the announcer's microphone on me at times. JB, Good informative post. The one thing that I was very concerned about was NOT to discourage fliers who may not be completely 'up to speed'. The Decs have seen many changes in personnel over the 20 years and as a result I think that we may know a little bit about 'demanding a little bit extra' from a new flier. The 'filtered' aspect is crucial for forward development. The technology aspect is one for serious discussion anyway. Glad to know that it is possible in part. Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiteLife Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 I'd also like to establish a consensus here... As I see it (and I'm ready to be proven wrong), here are our primary proponents and principle players: Mottram (Decorators in UK) - Extensive knowledge of team flying and the grid system. Jacob Twyford (Decorators in UK) - Extensive knowledge of team flying and the grid system. David Ellison (Decorators in UK) - Extensive knowledge of team flying and the grid system. Hoath (Flying Squad in UK) - Extensive knowledge of team flying, significant experience leading and organizing mega flies (including grid), speaks English, French and Spanish. Barresi (iQuad in USA) - Extensive knowledge of team flying, significant experience leading and organizing mega flies (including grid). Lummas (Too Much Fun in USA) - Extensive knowledge of team flying, significant experience leading and organizing mega flies (including grid). Ben (Flic in France) - Extensive knowledge of team flying, significant experience leading and organizing mega flies, speaks French and English. Hosoya (Team Rising in Japan) - Typically the leader of all mega flies in Japan, but his English is very limited as well. Who else is currently equipped and recognized for their ability to lead very large flies? Also, I think aside from any personality judgments or bias from fliers at large, Hoath and I are acknowledged as the most diverse and fair mega fly leaders. Debate, correction, comment, all welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiteLife Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 FYI, I already have plans in place to help organize the grid a bit better at 2010 WSIKF... Colored arm/wrist bands for each column, so they are "teams" unto themselves... Each band within a color numbered 1-8 to set the order. "Blue column, to formation please." "Blue leader, we're going to .... please explain to your squad." Etc, etc, etc. This will GREATLY speed up implementation on the field and cut down set up, as each colored squad will have their drills down already, in theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiteLife Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Ah, I'll add Mark Lummas to the mix... I think he's very capable. Amending my related post now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiteLife Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Also, any argument against the idea that Hoath and I are two of the primary intermediaries, with reliably good tact and a fair hand for all involved in a mega fly? I feel like I should hand out tomatoes after a question like that, but I hope you all know what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 I'd also like to establish a consensus here... As I see it (and I'm ready to be proven wrong), here are our primary proponents and principle players: Mottram (Decorators in UK) - Extensive knowledge of team flying and the grid system. Hoath (Flying Squad in UK) - Extensive knowledge of team flying, significant experience leading and organizing mega flies (including grid), speaks both English and French. Barresi (iQuad in USA) - Extensive knowledge of team flying, significant experience leading and organizing mega flies (including grid). Lummas (Too Much Fun in USA) - Extensive knowledge of team flying, significant experience leading and organizing mega flies (including grid). Ben (Flic in France) - Extensive knowledge of team flying, significant experience leading and organizing mega flies, , but his English is very limited. Hosoya (Team Rising in Japan) - Typically the leader of all mega flies in Japan, but his English is very limited as well. Who else is currently equipped and recognized for their ability to lead very large flies? Also, I think aside from any personality judgments or bias from fliers at large, Hoath and I are acknowledged as the most diverse and fair mega fly leaders. Debate, correction, comment, all welcome. JB, I am not sure what you are getting at here. Both Jacob Twyford and David Ellison in the Decs have a clear grasp of Leading Grid Flying. It is something I simply do not do although in the lead-in to the Portsmouth/Bristol events I did draw out a provisional routine. Ben from FLIC is an English speaker as far as I am aware. I think that Stephen has French and Spanish. Ashley Mottram from the Decs has basic Japanese now in case it is needed. Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiteLife Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 There you go, that's why I brought it up... It's important to identify all the leaders, and their respective skills. Obviously my knowledge of Rev team fliers/leaders on your side of the pond is limited to my 3 week visit in 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiteLife Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Is the list I started suitably amended for the moment? http://www.revkites.com/forum/index.php?/topic/3572-international-register-of-revolution-team-fliers/page__view__findpost__p__63312 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 FYI, I already have plans in place to help organize the grid a bit better at 2010 WSIKF... Colored arm/wrist bands for each column, so they are "teams" unto themselves... Each band within a color numbered 1-8 to set the order. "Blue column, to formation please." "Blue leader, we're going to .... please explain to your squad." Etc, etc, etc. This will GREATLY speed up implementation on the field and cut down set up, as each colored squad will have their drills down already, in theory. JB, The grid organisation with coloured wrist/arm bands (numbers stamped on foreheads) had been part of our discussions as well... The point is that we need a venue in which to 'lay out the guidelines/expectations' and make sure that the participants step up to the mark (in the parlance, I think) The technology thing is good but a relay to PA is all that is really needed at a big event... Felix Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Is the list I started suitably amended for the moment? http://www.revkites....dpost__p__63312 Yes, no problem... Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiteLife Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Agreed. Silly as it may seem, I think an organizational title is the best place to start, then I can create the venue here on the forum under that heading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Also, any argument against the idea that Hoath and I are two of the primary intermediaries, with reliably good tact and a fair hand for all involved in a mega fly? I feel like I should hand out tomatoes after a question like that, but I hope you all know what I mean. Tact may be the key phrase here. I will leave it at that... Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Agreed. Silly as it may seem, I think an organizational title is the best place to start, then I can create the venue here on the forum under that heading. Ah Cart, meet Horse... Fully understood JB! I will vote for IRORTF as in International Register of 'Revolution' Team Fliers or IROR for short. (I roar!) Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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