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darthsean

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  1. My business travel took me to San Diego today and I had some free time so I stopped by the revolution kite factory. Super friendly! Joe took about 30 minutes to show me the basics of flying the rev and I actually got it under control and did some basic maneuvers! There are some techniques that the videos and manuals just didn't convey clearly enough for me to understand. Thanks nice REV people! Some take-aways. 1) I wish I had known about the travel kit. I would have bought that version to start with. The travel spars are half the length of the regular ones so the kite can easily fit in a suitcase. The travel case is also better than the standard one. 2) The starting position to learn control is forefingers on the end of the string just above the control handles. That gives a clear idea of just how light the touch needs to be. 3) As the kite turns left and right in response to wind shifts, the control technique is to lightly tap the control forward on the side with the upper edge. This has to be mastered first before stable flight can be achieved and anything in the videos can be meaningfully attempted. 4) Next time I fly, my goal is going to be to just do stable flight, take offs and landings until I can get the controls for stable flight to be something I don't have to think about. Thanks for all your support.
  2. Thank you for all your responses. I have been without internet access for a few days. I'll try to answer all the questions in one post. 1) I am in the DC area for the next few months. 2) I have only flown single string kites before 3) According to the weather report, winds were in the 8-12 mph range on the days I went out. 4) Spars are on correct side of the kite. 5) Still don't believe it is possible to verify length of 80' line without specialized equipment. Can't be certain both lines are under the exact same tension. It did appear to me that the lines were not the same length and I have tried to re-tie the knots. Also not easy given the slippery cord over the end and trying to maintain line tension while tying the knot. Is there any reason why the rev kite doesn't use fishing tackle and some kind of a more finely adjustable way to maintain line length rather than untying and re-tying a line under manual tension? 6) I would love to visualize what I would do under varying circumstances but I don't know what to do. All the videos proceed from the point of view that the kite is already in stable flight and I want to change what it is doing, not from the point of view that the kite is doing a spin, dip, spiral or other maneuver and I need to stabilize it. Can anyone summarize what to do if the kite starts spinning left/right, plunging down or arcing to left/right? As it turns out I am on travel and in San Diego tomorrow and have a meeting in Poway of all places. I'll try to stop by revolution and see if I can find anyone to ask questions. What I really need to know is how to get the Wings over Washington people to tell me what time to show up for their monthly fly. It isn't on their website and no one has responded to my emails. That seems like the best way to find a rev flier but showing up at 8am and just waiting around for several hours doesn't seem very efficient.
  3. I saw a rev kite at a kite festival in DC and bought an EXP. Watched the videos. Read the manual. First attempt resulted in kite doing multiple uncontrolled spins and then crashing. 30 minutes untangling lines. Second attempt resulted in uncontrolled spins the other direction and crash. 30 minutes untangling lines. Packed it up for the day. My second and 3rd attempts were similar disasters. Just uncontrolled spins and crashes without any sense that I was even momentarily controlling the kite. Most of my time is spent untangling lines. I watched the video about line management and tried to follow the instructions. Still took 40 minutes to untangle the lines setting kite up. The videos just don't seem to cover anything that I am experiencing. Nothing about how to maintain level flight. Some videos mention "adjusting the trim" of the kite and it appears to be a continuous action. The videos do not mention what specific motion in response to what specific stimulus. ie. when the kite starts to roll right, what do I do? When the kite starts to dive, what do I do? What is supposed to happen if I launch and just stand and do nothing? Another thing is how do I tell if the kite is tied properly? Some people mention checking the length of the lines but I don't see how. At 80 feet, the lines are stretchy enough that their length depends upon the tension on each line. In addition,there is no way to do a fine adjust of the line length. A single loop knot takes up just under 1cm of length and I don't understand how to shorten or length a line when the sleeve slips all over the place and I can't be sure the tension is the same and I am trying to compensate for the length of line the knot takes up. My fingers aren't sufficiently calibrated that I can be certain the tension is the same on both strings especially when trying to tie or untie a knot in one of the strings. I also have no basis of comparison to tell if the bridle is tied properly. In one of the crashes one side somehow managed to untie itself. I examined the knots on the other side of the kite and tried to get it right but really have no experience and the pictures in the manual are of insufficient resolution to tell if a knot is tied correctly. I had hoped that the kites and strings would come properly set up from the company. It would be nice to find an experienced flyer and I contacted Wings over Washington three weeks ago - no response. They say they have monthly flying events but do not mention the time and no response to my asking what time. I am really frustrated and would send the kite back for my money if I thought I had some grounds to do that. "Learn to fly in under an hour" "Exciting in the hands of a beginner..." Nonsense. Kite is hard to learn to fly and videos and manual are completely inadequate and there do not appear to be any resources. Closest kite shop is 3 hours away. Kite shop listed on revkites in the DC area is out of business as far as I can tell. So, other than just leaving the kite in the closet and considering it $250 wasted or travelling many hours and paying someone hundreds more dollars to learn to fly the kite, any practical advice?
  4. I'll start my own topic if you like, but I need some advice on the same theme. I saw the Rev's being flown at the DC kite festival and decided I had to have one. First windy day after kite arrived, I went out to fly after having read the manual and watched the DVD. Kite immediately went into an uncontrolled spiral and crashed after about 8 twists. I spent the next 30 minutes de-tangling the lines. 2nd time I launched, it immediately spiraled two times to the right and crashed. I de-tangled the lines again and went home and watched a few more training videos, then went back out. This time I looked very carefully at all the knots to make sure something wasn't twisted up. First time I launched, the kite went in a big uncontrolled arc to the left and crashed. Somehow in that, the right bridle managed to untie itself and I had to analyze the left hand knot to try and re-tie it. By that time the wind had died down. Total of 30 seconds of uncontrolled flight in about 2 hours of trying. Not an encouraging first day. Kite is hard to get off the ground. "Step back and pull sharply up" simply does not work most of the time (most of the time it just causes the kite to flop forward and drag in the grass) and when it does the kite is immediately in some kind of an uncontrolled maneuver going so fast that I don't even have time to react before it crashes. What I am experiencing is simply not covered by the videos. There are a few comments about "adjusting the trim" and it looks like it is a continuous process but if I don't know how to adjust said trim in response to what stimulus, this seems like I will continue to get the results I am getting. I really didn't want a major hobby. I already live a full and rich life so something that will take weeks of training and travelling hundreds of miles to find the right guru is just not something I am interested in. There is the possibility that the kite was shipped not tied or set up in the right fashion or that the lines are wrong, but I have no basis of comparison to judge and the idea that I can somehow measure a 1cm difference between two 80' lines seems absurd to me. To make that kind of measurement I would have to be certain that the tension was exactly the same on the two lines and I don't have that kind of equipment. I trusted that the lines would be properly measured by the manufacturer before shipment. Advice?
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