kwmf Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 I believe we need to change the way we describe a vented sail, so that it reflects the percentage of sail area that is air space. While that may be a neat way to quantify it, then you'd have to start adding in a measure of how and where it loads to keep the comparison fair (eg, my Polo venteds load NOTHING like my Pro sails) Just my $0.02 of fuel to the nerdy engineering fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AldenMiller Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Oh yeah......Alden who? Phhhhhhbbbbbbttttttt!!!!!!!! -Alden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cath Shook Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Phhhhhhbbbbbbttttttt!!!!!!!! -Alden Nicely said! Alden has done the Spaghetti Mesh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeepster Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Nicely said! Alden has done the Spaghetti Mesh! NO, NO, NO ... don't run away Cath, come back ... please ... pretty please. Okay Cath, so you've probably seen Alden's sad attempt at building a weave kite. Poor guy got the outline correct, but then simply couldn't figure out the weave pattern so stopped right there. If Elliot built that kite it obviously would look much better, but what percent label would he apply? Inquiring minds want to know, Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartman Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Hey Rich, what were you guys flying here last year in that hurricane? What percentage weave? How did you find it performed during that windstorm? You seemed pretty unphased by it if I remember correctly. Bart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcom714 Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Hey Rich, what were you guys flying here last year in that hurricane? What percentage weave? How did you find it performed during that windstorm? You seemed pretty unphased by it if I remember correctly. Bart That was the 100% probably with a 3 wrap. And yea, that sail stands up to quite a gale!!!! Swift Current's or otherwise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cath Shook Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 NO, NO, NO ... don't run away Cath, come back ... please ... pretty please. Okay Cath, so you've probably seen Alden's sad attempt at building a weave kite. Poor guy got the outline correct, but then simply couldn't figure out the weave pattern so stopped right there. If Elliot built that kite it obviously would look much better, but what percent label would he apply? Inquiring minds want to know, Tom Tom, you mean the Victoria's Secret Kite?? Eliot says "that's not a mesh, it's a ripstop covered frame. Rev will never sanction it - there's no place for the Logo!" Hope All of you are going to Ocean City MD this weekend - we're closed for the weekend to go up there. See Ya' Soon Jay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portlandflyer Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Is it possible to post some pix showing what the %s mean as it relates to the amount of weave material? Just looking to clear things up!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AldenMiller Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Is it possible to post some pix showing what the %s mean as it relates to the amount of weave material? Just looking to clear things up!! The clear part determines the percentage! -Alden 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portlandflyer Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 If that logic holds true - then "Vickie" is the only true 100% type I've seen!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belgarum Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 I'm with Wayne on the quest for more info on the mesh, and comparative pictures would help visualise the whole thing. Maybe Cath could put the record straight? I tried to get this sort of info a while back by emailing FSK with view to buying one, but sadly didn't get a reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcom714 Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 I hope to get out and fly tomorrow but even if I don't I'll frame em up and do some side by side shots for you. The difference is in the measurements of the individual strips, which even if I knew wouldn't say cause it's not my place. That said though, the difference is dynamic. Don't let that difference in size of those strips fool you, the range of both the 100 & the 75 are sweet at the extreme top and bottom of the window. Just saying........ BTW......These pics are of a 75% mesh that weren't taken at some beach in OC last march by John Chilese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cath Shook Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 25% (The devil made me do it)I believe it refers to the amount of the sail area that is made of strips as opposed to solid fabric. If you look at his kites you'll notice that on most the center is not mesh, but some are mesh in entirety, including the center (where the rev logo usually is). Hey folks - Eliot's ALWAYS have a solid center panel with the Rev logo, and after the first few, they also have the compass rose. Full mesh center panel is either Alden's g-string/Vickie or a chinese knockoff. FYI, after 6 years of flying this design, I still love the smoothness of it! Cath 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portlandflyer Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Cath - is it possible to post some pix with the %s captioning them, so we can compare them?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REVflyer Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Sorry Wayne, that request is simply not a reasonable expectation in this electronic day and age, proprietary knowledge and all. Rev doesn't share their dimensions publicly. If you want to know exactly what size one is, then you need to borrow or acquire it, but they're not sending you a diagram nor even a cocktail napkin sketch surely you would adopt the same non-disclosure attitude in Shook's position. This is a revenue source and a highly desired product. the mesh strips are different sizes and the location of them varies as well, depending on which model you desire, (40%, 75% or 100%) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcom714 Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Wayne has had one of my Shook sails now for the last couple of months.......hopefully he's been flying the crap out of it.........!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwmf Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Sorry Wayne, that request is simply not a reasonable expectation in this electronic day and age, proprietary knowledge and all. Rev doesn't share their dimensions publicly. If you want to know exactly what size one is, then you need to borrow or acquire it I suspect Waynes intention is to take the guesswork out of the equasion for would-be buyers, not copyright infringement. One could argue that it is similarly unreasonable to expect a buyer (especially ones in other countries or no access to someone with the various options) to shell out the $$$ on a guess and hope they got it right. We've all seen that the knockoff companies and those who make something for personal use have had no problem at all getting the specifics (right down to signature copies) so I doubt a partial photo showing how the viarious block sizes relate to each other would make any difference at all. Not my business, not my call, but I think that the request is valid and, done correctly, such an image can assist potential buyers without assisting would be copy cats (who already make the mesh). My $0.02 ... YMMV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portlandflyer Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 In no way was I hoping to help any copy cats!!! I was just hoping we could get a decent comparison of what each % means, so it could clear up confusion! RICH - had it airborne once at the march Rev clinic, only time we've had enough wind to really fly it!! Going to a fest this weekend, hope that changes!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcom714 Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Wayne......put that kite up in a lighter breeze than you think you'll be able to fly it....I think you'll be surprised by the versatility and the wider than expected range you'll derive from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portlandflyer Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 OK, I will! The only time I flew it was pretty strong winds!! Katrina really wasn't too impressed at KP, must been the wind was a bit light! But at the clinic, it really came alive and showed what it can do!! Inputs that usually only make a "B" do 180* turns, almost got 540* turns out of it!! Looking forward to putting it up again!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrunya Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Sorry Wayne, that request is simply not a reasonable expectation in this electronic day and age, proprietary knowledge and all. Rev doesn't share their dimensions publicly. If you want to know exactly what size one is, then you need to borrow or acquire it, but they're not sending you a diagram nor even a cocktail napkin sketchsurely you would adopt the same non-disclosure attitude in Shook's position. This is a revenue source and a highly desired product. the mesh strips are different sizes and the location of them varies as well, depending on which model you desire, (40%, 75% or 100%) Is it just me, or is this not what Wayne was asking? I don't think he was asking for a diagram or for any kind of dimensions. Merely a photo of each of the three kites labeled to have a visual representation of the difference. Hell, there was already a photo posted earlier of a 75%. Refusal of this request is like refusing to show pictures of a mid-vent and a full-vent for fear of copyright infringement. Might as well just not make the damn things if you can't take pictures of them. I'm sure there are plenty of photos out there of the Shook mesh kites; would it really be so bad to grab three and label them as 40%, 75%, and 100%? Sorry, this just seems really ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beach Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Is it just me, or is this not what Wayne was asking? I don't think he was asking for a diagram or for any kind of dimensions. Merely a photo of each of the three kites labeled to have a visual representation of the difference. Hell, there was already a photo posted earlier of a 75%. Refusal of this request is like refusing to show pictures of a mid-vent and a full-vent for fear of copyright infringement. Might as well just not make the damn things if you can't take pictures of them. I'm sure there are plenty of photos out there of the Shook mesh kites; would it really be so bad to grab three and label them as 40%, 75%, and 100%? Sorry, this just seems really ridiculous. Calm down Watty it's okay, breath....... Ben 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portlandflyer Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Sorry to have caused such a mess in here!!! I was only hoping to get some simple comparisons of the 3 meshes, to show the differences between %s!! No tech info, no exact measurements, just simple pix representing the kites, so we could see the differences first hand, in one place, that's all! My apologies!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REVflyer Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 75%, kites will be at Wildwood if you want to do a comparison of bridles and a 100% Dennis Smith has the 40% and is certain to be there Try all three models and then save a big wad of money up,..... 'cause you know what's going to happen next! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cath Shook Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Hey, folks, this is Eliot writing under Cath's ID... The best response in this whole string is: 100% = Full-vent75% = Twix a full-vent and a mid-vent40% = Mid-vent In the attached photo, the kite on the left is "75%", the center kite is "100%" and kite on the right is "40%". Please note that I identify all the "75%" and "40%" kites and mark them accordingly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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