markg Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 I am considering the purchase of an Eliot Shook mesh/weave kite and wondering the differences between the 100% and the 75% weave. Any preferences, suggestions?? Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robtulloch Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Can't really help, other than to say they are as smooth as silk (I've heard) and are beautiful pieces of art! Can't wait until I own one. Sent via Tapatalk for iPhone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makatakam Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 25% (The devil made me do it) I believe it refers to the amount of the sail area that is made of strips as opposed to solid fabric. If you look at his kites you'll notice that on most the center is not mesh, but some are mesh in entirety, including the center (where the rev logo usually is). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AldenMiller Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 100% is comparable to a full vent sail. 75% is comparable to a mid vent sail. Fly one, you'll like it! -Alden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnmitchell Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 I have one, I really like it. However, I am not sure whether it is a 75% or 100%. I suspect it is a 75%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makatakam Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 We should probably ask Elliot Shook to clarify, then we can stop guessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg Posted September 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 We should probably ask Elliot Shook to clarify, then we can stop guessing. You're right!! I just sent the Shook's an e-mail! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcom714 Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 100% is comparable to a full vent sail. 75% is comparable to a mid vent sail. Fly one, you'll like it! -Alden Correction, the 40% mesh is the equal to the mid vent. The 75% is the middle ground between mid & full vent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cath Shook Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Correction, the 40% mesh is the equal to the mid vent. The 75% is the middle ground between mid & full vent. This is correct. Thanks Rich!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryB Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Shook weave DROOOOL How early can I write my Christmas list :confused!: Take Care Terry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cath Shook Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Shook weave DROOOOL How early can I write my Christmas list :confused!: Take Care Terry. They do fly sweet!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburka Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 They do fly sweet!! And they don't suck to look at either! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REVflyer Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Shook's mesh rev kites are popular because they are way lighter in weight (no heavy mesh material) for the same purchased wind range compared to any other Rev products. Granted you paid more, but it's almost like getting two kites in one. It will fly in lower winds and really big turbulent gusts equally well. Changing out the frames gets you a 25 or 30 mph spread of usable wind ranges. Buying two "Pros" or one Shook Mesh? I've flown the full weave (100%) in 8 and steady winds over 40 mph with the same green race frame. If I switched to my B-series Pros I'd have had three of 'em out instead of just one. Some folks say "there's not enough hard surface to push against" when using a fabric weave doing hard tricks or flailing. Well in the hands of a master pilot the shook mesh revs will do almost every trick i've ever witnessed. I own 3 of them and they are great kites, smooth and versatile, good looking too! You can design it yourself and Elliot will build away to satisfy your desires and dreams. Plus he sells all the stuff necessary to customize the flight dynamics if your interested in exploring new variables. Line, handles, magic sticks, different bridle options, sail graphics and patterns. Truly a masterpiece worthy of the cost of admission. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdvoracek Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Shook's mesh rev kites are popular because they are way lighter in weight (no heavy mesh material) for the same purchased wind range compared to any other Rev products. Granted you paid more, but it's almost like getting two kites in one. It will fly in lower winds and really big turbulent gusts equally well. Changing out the frames gets you a 25 or 30 mph spread of usable wind ranges. Buying two "Pros" or one Shook Mesh? I've flown the full weave (100%) in 8 and steady winds over 40 mph with the same green race frame. If I switched to my B-series Pros I'd have had three of 'em out instead of just one. Had I purchased my Shook first, I wouldn't own my full vent or any other vent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeepster Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 This is kind of on topic ... Does the % weave represent the percent of fabric relative to a full sail? For example: a 65% weave would be 65% fabric and 35% "holes" ... while a 40% weave would be 40% fabric and 60% holes. Cheers, Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adammandes Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 I love my Shook Masterpiece! The higher the wind the better it handles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg Posted September 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Thanks for all the great info!! I have a 100% Shook on its way to me as we speak. Found one for sale!! Can't wait!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AldenMiller Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 This is kind of on topic ... Does the % weave represent the percent of fabric relative to a full sail? For example: a 65% weave would be 65% fabric and 35% "holes" ... while a 40% weave would be 40% fabric and 60% holes. Cheers, Tom Engineers! -Alden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtnFlyer Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 This is kind of on topic ... Does the % weave represent the percent of fabric relative to a full sail? For example: a 65% weave would be 65% fabric and 35% "holes" ... while a 40% weave would be 40% fabric and 60% holes. It would seem to me that if 100% is equivalent to a full-vent sail, 40% is equivalent to a mid-vent and the 75% is between a full- and mid-vent, the percentage probably indicates the amount of venting ("holes") relative to the full-vent's venting. Looking at the full- and mid-vent sails, this appears to be about right. I have to say, though, that I've never calculated the amount of screening in the full- and mid-vent sails to compare them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeepster Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Bob, You've got to be a little careful when Rich and Alden start working together ... they would leave Laural and Hardy speechless. Rich didn't correct Alden on his 100% equals a full vent. He only corrected the mid-vent percentage. So, it does look like your logic makes sense: 100% = Full-vent 75% = Twix a full-vent and a mid-vent 40% = Mid-vent Hmmm ... that means if Elliot built a mesh sail to be equivalent to an extra-vent, the designation would be something like 150%l!!! Cheers, Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robtulloch Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Rich didn't correct Alden on his 100% equals a full vent. He only corrected the mid-vent percentage. So, it does look like your logic makes sense: 100% = Full-vent 75% = Twix a full-vent and a mid-vent 40% = Mid-vent Hmmm ... that means if Elliot built a mesh sail to be equivalent to an extra-vent, the designation would be something like 150%l!!! Cheers, Tom If anyone could do that, it'd be Mr Shook. Sent via Tapatalk for iPhone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makatakam Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 I believe we need to change the way we describe a vented sail, so that it reflects the percentage of sail area that is air space. If we refer to a kite as a 100% or 150% vent it sounds as if we're saying it has no sail fabric at all! In other words, if we call it a 25% vent, it should mean that 25% of the sail is holes and 75% is fabric. I have been working on a few vented designs and after doing the math, I have found that even those with lots of great big holes do not exceed 50% air space. Even the extra-vent pros do not exceed 25% air space, because the mesh itself is less than 50% airspace. I'll do the math and post the results here when I have concluded the measurements. The surface area that a framed 1.5 Rev presents to the wind is approximately 1820 square inches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtnFlyer Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Bob, You've got to be a little careful when Rich and Alden start working together ... they would leave Laural and Hardy speechless. Rich didn't correct Alden on his 100% equals a full vent. He only corrected the mid-vent percentage. So, it does look like your logic makes sense: 100% = Full-vent 75% = Twix a full-vent and a mid-vent 40% = Mid-vent Hmmm ... that means if Elliot built a mesh sail to be equivalent to an extra-vent, the designation would be something like 150%l!!! Cheers, Tom Nope. Not replying to Rich and Alden, just your earlier querie, and based on Cath's correction of the earlier percents. I've been wondering about these numbers, too, and it finally came together. Your thoughts about the Xvent are on target. Imagine, a spaghetti-like mesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnmitchell Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 I saw a 100% vented "REV II style" back in the late 90s. I don't have a picture, but I think it had a Dacron or similar leading edge. The rest was all screen. It was in Fano, Denmark and the wind was quite strong. I noticed that it did fly quite well in that wind. I never saw it again nor did I note the name of the owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcom714 Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Bob, You've got to be a little careful when Rich and Alden start working together ... they would leave Laural and Hardy speechless. Rich didn't correct Alden on his 100% equals a full vent. He only corrected the mid-vent percentage. So, it does look like your logic makes sense: 100% = Full-vent 75% = Twix a full-vent and a mid-vent 40% = Mid-vent Hmmm ... that means if Elliot built a mesh sail to be equivalent to an extra-vent, the designation would be something like 150%l!!! Cheers, Tom In fact dugard, lamasters & I had that very conversation with Elliot some time ago and damned if I recall the outcome...insert comment here...but it definitely was a laughfest! Anyway it's safe to say the first kite outta my bag will likely be the 75 first unless it is dead calm. On 50,75 or 100, 50s and a green race frame, it flies down to an oh so sweet float and slackline machine! The 100 easily flew in the near steady 20mph wind that was WSIKF this year also with green race. Could easily have gone to 3 wraps or even fours if need be for even higher breeze but it was far too long to walk and I was just plain lazy! Oh yeah......Alden who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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