johnnmitchell Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Ha! I think that we had figured that the minimum grid was 1.5 kite widths apart. At this stage we should probably allow a little bit extra for 'pilot comfort'. <grins> Felix For animated drawing purposes, I think I would be fine with 1.5 widths between tips of two REVs. If I allowed for the pilot comfort zone, then I would not have enough stage(real estate) left for moving around very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted October 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 <snip> If I allowed for the pilot comfort zone, then I would not have enough stage(real estate) left for moving around very much. Hmm... Just how much space did you envisage <grins> 'comfort zone'??? Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnmitchell Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 It's looking like a REV width plus 10% will do fine in the animated drawings. Of course in real life, on the field, it will increase a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted October 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 It's looking like a REV width plus 10% will do fine in the animated drawings. Of course in real life, on the field, it will increase a lot. On the field today we were flying with minus 10% and dealing with the collisions. It was all quite gentle, no lives were lost. Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnmitchell Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Okay, attached is the Diamond Thread or what ever it may be called. Click on the image to see the animation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwmeek Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 (edited) Wait for it to cycle through the second time. As it is loading onto your computer it may be a bit stop-and-go. The second time through, it is much smoother. (That's just the nature of large animated GIFs.) Edited November 1, 2010 by --Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted November 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Okay, attached is the Diamond Thread or what ever it may be called. Click on the image to see the animation. <snip> John, Thanks for that! It looks great. The other variation I had wanted to introduce was for the kites in the initial square to take the 'diagonal' alignment and then thread from there. I'm wondering if I have understood your '90 degree weave' in this context? Would you be up for animating the parallel 90 degree turn 'infinity'? Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiteLife Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 I'm enjoying watching this develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted November 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 I'm enjoying watching this develop. Did you see the square dance figures via the link? Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnmitchell Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Okay, I pleased to hear the positive feed backs on the Diamond Thread. Now, I am going to try to animate what David described and then I will get back to variations of the Diamond thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnmitchell Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 I think the Decs' "bigot"* move would work well in a grid. Counting from the left start with 4 rows of odds facing up, evens facing down. Odds all move one place to right by pivoting over even kites (ending facing down). Evens all move one place to left by pivoting under odd kites (ending facing up). Repeat sequence, so that the two odd kites are now on the right side of the row and the evens are on the left. All 180 turn on spot. Unwind above two moves to arrive back at starting grid but with odds now facing down and even facing up. You could then continue the move by going the other way. * so called because of out former prime minister's way with words David, Could you try explaining this again? How many kites are involved? 16? John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david ellison Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Hi John Yes the move starts with the 4 by 4 grid. In each row (and numbering from the left) odds turn to face up, evens face down. The odd kite then pivots to the right and over the even kite to take it's place, ending up facing down. The even kite has pivoted left and under to where the odd kite started. Repeat sequence, so that the two odd kites are now on the right side of the row and the evens are on the left. All 180 turn on spot. Unwind above two moves to arrive back at starting grid but with odds now facing down and even facing up. hope this is clearer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnmitchell Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Hi John Yes the move starts with the 4 by 4 grid. In each row (and numbering from the left) odds turn to face up, evens face down. The odd kite then pivots to the right and over the even kite to take it's place, ending up facing down. The even kite has pivoted left and under to where the odd kite started. Repeat sequence, so that the two odd kites are now on the right side of the row and the evens are on the left. All 180 turn on spot. Unwind above two moves to arrive back at starting grid but with odds now facing down and even facing up. hope this is clearer! David, You wouldn't by chance be referring to columns, instead of rows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnmitchell Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 David, You wouldn't by chance be referring to columns, instead of rows? If it is row then it looks some what like the felix(benefit) horizontally by row. Or? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauranyyfan Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Hello Felix- How have you been? Here's one: Have the top two rows face right, the bottom two left and have the columns doing a 90 degree pinwheel and then thread vertically, 180 and then back to the middle and pinwheel the other way. You can then thread again, if you like. Has anyone tried doing dosey doe/ matrix??? That should be an easy one and look really cool, too. xoxo to all of you guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted November 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Hello Felix- How have you been? Here's one: Have the top two rows face right, the bottom two left and have the columns doing a 90 degree pinwheel and then thread vertically, 180 and then back to the middle and pinwheel the other way. You can then thread again, if you like. Has anyone tried doing dosey doe/ matrix??? That should be an easy one and look really cool, too. xoxo to all of you guys. Hello Laura, All is well. I think that the dosey doe is in the scheme of things but do not quite get the 90 degree pinwheel and thread. Are you able to draw it in some way and post? Best wishes Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnmitchell Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 David, Are rows 1, 2, 3 and 4 all moving in synchronization. Meaning all kites in columns 1 and 2 rotating a swap at the same time followed by columns 2 and 3 and then columns 3 and 4? If so I will have to give my rows more separation in the animation to prevent collisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauranyyfan Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 (edited) Hello Laura, All is well. I think that the dosey doe is in the scheme of things but do not quite get the 90 degree pinwheel and thread. Are you able to draw it in some way and post? Best wishes Felix Hello Felix... Here goes: > > < < ..... 90 degrees pinwheel forward to horizontal.... ^^vv ..... fly forward to top and bottom, 180 and return to center pinwheel back to undo wrap. It's sort of like doing a partial team matrix. Threading wasn't the right term as the pairs are either moving up or down. As everyone is flying forward, it would be easy to get into this (I think).... Hope this helps. Take care. Edited November 2, 2010 by Love2fly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted November 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 (edited) Hello Felix... Here goes: > > < < ..... 90 degrees pinwheel forward to horizontal.... ^^vv ..... fly forward to top and bottom, 180 and return to center pinwheel back to undo wrap. <snip> Hi Laura, Did you mean like this for the 16? > > > > (NB more space between the columns Edit) > > > > < < < < < < < < ^^vv^^vv^^vv^^vv It might be a bit tight on the horizontal but with care should be possible! Thanks very much. Felix Edited November 2, 2010 by Felix Mottram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david ellison Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Hi John - email sent to you with an animation of the steps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauranyyfan Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Hi Laura, Did you mean like this for the 16? > > > > (NB more space between the columns Edit) > > > > < < < < < < < < ^^vv^^vv^^vv^^vv It might be a bit tight on the horizontal but with care should be possible! Thanks very much. Felix Hi Felix- Absolutely with sixteen. It should look cool with the constant movement. To add to that move, you could easily have the columns all pinwheel 360 degrees (there will be two points of a horizontal line of 16) with everyone doing a 180 and flying out of it 360 degrees back to original position (everyone would be facing the opposite direction). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnmitchell Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 Hi John - email sent to you with an animation of the steps David, Here is what I understand from what you sent me. In the .swf version, not attached, there are Flash Action Script pauses between each maneuver. Unfortunately .gif doesn't understand these pauses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted November 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 David, Here is what I understand from what you sent me. <snip> In the .swf version, not attached, there are Flash Action Script pauses between each maneuver. Unfortunately .gif doesn't understand these pauses. That looks correct to me! Going back to threads it occurs to me that slow wing tip 360s up and down would look superb. <grins> Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david ellison Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 superb work John that looks excellent - these animations will be very useful for spreading the word on proposed grid routines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david ellison Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 If you've got the time and inclination John could you please animate this one? Grid radar's- From the bottom: All kites face left Radar in column lines 60 degrees to the left around the bottom kites, i.e. the wingtip of the bottom kite in each column is nailed to the sky as it's leading edge radars 60 degrees to the left; the 3 kites above in each column maintain a straight line through their leading edges as they radar 6o degrees simultaneously All kites 180 turn up on the spot Radar in column lines 120 degrees to the right around the bottom kites All kites 180 turn up on the spot Radar in column lines 60 degrees to the left around the bottom kites - ending up in opening grid positions with all kites facing left From the top: As above but with the top kites in each column acting as the point around which the radar rotates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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