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  1. No tension/curvature should be in the frame during/after installation

    after a few flight sessions these thin truss lines may lengthen, take one end off, add a single overhand knot into that loop part and snug next the existing knot

    I want you to try to toss the kite (not affixed to the flying lines) both with the sticks installed and with the stand-off sticks removed, so you can immediately compare the glide.

    Frame lighter than you think is appropriate, it's okay till the lines are whistling

    Explore a wider wind window, the kite won't suddenly lose air and drop at the edges anymore

    Try some tricks, it's okay they will get better

    when done, roll the kite with the magic stick standoff tubes gathered next to the down spars at the leading edge, pull any loose lines inside first as well, I hold it closed with velcro so the sticks don't fall out mistakenly.

    enjoy and let us know how it compares


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  2. install directions are fool-proof, you don't need the reinforcing patch affixed to your sail until you are sure magic sticks are for you

    twelve inch works, but the 16s are recommended

    (the difference is most noticeable when the kite is "rolled-up into the flying line" to launch or end/landing)

    16s do this trick effortlessly, you step-lively towards the kite (leading edge up, resting on the ground, directly downwind) to roll it up

    You take two steps backwards to ONE stand it up and TWO take off, in time with your music please, to launch

    you can "flail around" learning slack line tricks without risking the walk of shame (Most of the time anyway!)

    The kite is easier to set-up and won't blow around on the ground, you don't have to tension the lines (people walk thru oblivious)

    best thing?

    A KILLER GLIDE used for field recovery.

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  3. Ha! I never thought I'd have fifty+ of 'em either Bob!

    But every once in awhile I see one I've gotta' own. I remember telling my wife in 2000 "if I can have a second set of these kites, I'll never want or ask for another as long as I live"

    I'm very particular too, no graphics with a pronounced/preferred viewing angle, (people, scenes), objects etc must appear visually appealing in any orientation, at speed or stationary.

    I live inland like you, so most everything with lots of use is targeted towards my local conditions. High wind revs are seldom used, yes I agree. But borrowing a kite gets old too. I like 'em tuned and even constructed in a very specific fashion. I'm used to it...... "MY WAY". I've been flying Revs since 1993, pretty hard-core since '96, first competed in '99 and built my first cooperative project as knock-offs that year as well for the Smithsonian with Harold Ames.

    I have used a different bridle since 1999 and magic sticks also for many years! If you buy a kite a year and do it for a couple of decades, you'll have one for ANY set of weather conditions. I have all the Revs ever made except for the biggest Speed Series 4-8 (too much power) and the xtra-vent (will never use enough to justify it's cost)

    I've worn a few Revs out and sold a few, given some to my son (who lives in Atlanta by the way). One kite bag gets to go most places, just like my wallet and cell phone. Never buy a car without your bag along side you either! I have kites for indoors up to when the porta-potties blow over. You mark my words, you will be the same way if you stay in it long enough.

    Most of us begin by covering the high wind (vented) and the low (SUL or full sail), then you fill-in between them, Mesh 20%, 40%, 75%, 100%, 135%, mid-vent, xtra vent, indoor, speed series, different size formats Rev1 or B2.

    Maybe you meet some other local folks or travel/attend a workshop and try you hand at building a kite yourself? My first one, I borrowed a sewing machine on site and picked parts out of my friends' kite material boxes laying nearby. Tools are shared and coaches make sure everything comes out correctly. Nothing is more rewarding than that first flight with a kite you built,.... except maybe when someone watching the flight asks you where you got it and tell them "men can sew, I made it myself!"

    Again, you'll have a whole closet full of these Revolution kites even if you don't consider yourself a collector. Or, you will drop-out for a new hobby.

    The travel expenses to go fly with your friends and see the different locations available is the more costly aspect of being a rev family member. (in my case it's easily 5 or even 10 to one) All the peripheral expenses add up too. Replacement flying line, rain-suits, boots, chairs, coolers, tarps, wicking layers, sunglasses, headphones, music devices, cameras, travel cases and luggage, roof racks, tie-downs, electronics. Who cares, give something else up (I'm hooked!)

    I sill come home with facial pain due to all the smiles shared during a flying session, even after 20 years! I'm not sponsored and often quite outspoken, I pay full retail (usually more because of customization demanded). Revs are still fun for me, dare I say it?,.... worth the money.

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  4. A quad doesn't go left or right, i spins on it's center (clockwise or anti-CW).

    The correct practice session right now for you is the leading resting on the ground and you back it up. With enough hours you can do this to the top of the wind window, like it was riding on railroad tracks. This will take many hundreds or thousands of hours to perfect. Every kite can go slow downwind to crash (or land softly, it's still just going forward though isn't it?)

    Please ignore forward drive entirely, work on reverse flight instead, otherwise you are not using the kite to it's full potential. It is easier to control & predict plus more stable in fight INVERTED. You don't chase children in a stroller or land on someone's head with the leading edge facing anyway but down!

    I want to see slow descending control (and then rising it back up again) at the same speed and kite orientation.

    With reverse control you can fly in any direction, hovering is just your neutral (your naturally resting position), the handles can be balanced on one finger in each hand and the kite is completely rock-solid stationary. (the location of this balance point is why leaders are used on the flying line-handle point connection)

  5. found a bunch of 'em on youtube with the search NASM kite day

    here's paulie (one of the museum's "big 3")

    Amy Doran and Connor came one year

    Ashworth ('07)

    Dave's design that we want released to Revolution for commercial purposes (3rd Gen)

    Will Sturdy's single lined glider

    Luckily my bride represents the kiting community to the museum as coordinator and ALLOWS me to join in

    Soul flying to music Terry picked out using Dave's 2nd Gen indoor
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  6. Ha!, we frequently suffer from the other side of that equation.

    We have plenty of capable pilots that fly together regularly, lots of equipment, (even to share) but we can't all get on the same page! No one wants to lead (or follow), we fly different sizes of kites or various line lengths and everyone wears headphones and ignore all verbal directions!

    Rotating callers, from both sides of the line, even in the middle. Jeff Burka only flies backwards until he is relieved of command. I prefer to fly at the "back of the bus" so I can bail-out anytime and fly upside down more often.

    Careful what you wish for

  7. Flic flac on the SS is easy, hold an upright hover, grab both bottom lines and pull in towards yourself (flic) then once the trailing edge has flipped up, let go of the bottom lines to reset to upright hover (flac). You can also flic flac like on a 1.5 size, but the above procedure is considerably easier ;)

    You upright hover to learn the technique, but you can do quarter turns in time w your music very soon. To execute you SNAP your thumbs powerfully at the kite. If it does not flip then you need more reverse tuning. It is not necessary to fly one handed, or grab strings.

  8. Supersonic is flick-flak machine, effortless, as fast as you can think about it! Might need to cover the knots on the back of the sail (at the bottom), or run a trick-line thru those end caps.

    Sonic boom dive-stops.

    it's probably twice as fast as 1.5 models in both directions

  9. In my opinion, limp leaders will snag more often than stiff ones. Imagine your leaders were sticks, can't snag.

    I think it's okay to droop down, what doesn't work are various thicknesses and knots in each material. When in doubt about possibly snagging I prefer a no-sleeving flying line solution with leaders of 100# hi-test bridle line, (folded in half and the knots in only one of those two strands) The top leader should ALMOST reach the bottom attachment point on the handle, all adjustments are made on the bottoms only, so that the top leaders remain a uniform length (muscle memory for 3D flying). YMMV but for me, experience has driven me to this solution. I've had every kind of error and tangle possible, particularly when it mattered the most!

  10. I'd like to see you practice BACKING the kite from inverted and forget all about this forward drive stuff. Eventually you must master control an inch above the ground. This is a lot easier with the weight on the bottom (leading edge inverted).

    Here's the session outline.

    Start with the kite inverted, sitting on the ground and back-up (fly in reverse by pushing your thumbs at the kite) to waist or shoulder height. STOP and hover. Then lower it gently back to mother earth. Repeat this five times with the objective of a smoother flight speed in both directions and straight lines. You may find that smaller handle movements combined with moving your feet helps tremendously, particularly in low wind.

    Okay next, double the objective height and try it all over again. You may find you need to shorten your brake (bottom) lines by pulling in the bottom leaders, or letting out the tops. Eventually you want to be able to do this flight path to the very top of the wind window, like it was riding on railroad tracks, following a laser beam! This will take many hundreds of hours to perfect and make effortless looking.

    When you get bored go fly as you usually would, but keep coming back to the inverted session. If your revolution kite will not back-up you might as well can cut off two strings because you are not using the kite as it is can be ("demonstrated the quad-line effect?" is the name for this asked question in judge-speech)

    What you are doing by adding all of this down is a benefit to low wind flight too,... here's why. You are pulling the sail more square to the wind's maximum pressure. If you held a 4 x 8 sheet of plywood in a wind tunnel, which path of the wind would place maximum pressure on your plywood? If you angled the wood in any direction some of the wind pressure would spill off, right?

    When in doubt about tuning ALWAYS add down first and see if that is an improvement.

    You'll eventually have to break the habits of all forward drive tuning, if you ever want to gain mastery on a revolution kite. We all learned to scream to the top of the window with forward drive first. Don't waste the next seven years to change like I did!

    My current setting for leader lengths is the tops are 300 to 400% longer than the bottoms. I make all my tuning adjustments using the bottom leaders (so the tops are always the same length, muscle memory for 3-D tricks). Handle length dictates the top leader length. I want it "just short" of reaching the bottom leader attachment point. Longer handles get longer leaders. Choices are personal,... do what feels right to you, the path doesn't matter only the destination!

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  11. saw one of the next 2 kites in it's creation stage (patriotic 40% shook weave) and a couple of my own uniquely customized leading edges are also hanging nearby waiting on a replacement sail from Bazzer (hot fade, black center full sail replacement only).

    Eliot replaced the leading edge on my Gibian masterpiece with the shiny mylar backed nylon SUL sleeve too. Man it looks so great in flight, durably tough like a tarp, but gorgeous reflecting the sunlight.

  12. I've personally witnessed buggying on a full vent 1.5 (that individual was no "giant" in stature though, HA!) He eventually move to the outer banks, guessing the no-wind of the mid-atlantic states got too boring.


    One time Bob (Sundown) pulled a plastic kid's wading pool out of his pickup truck, then set-up an 8-pack stack of dualies and proceeded to lean back on the pool's edge whilst sitting inside it, (thereby raising the front significantly ~ Bob's a very big boy).

    Oops, i forgot,... the night before we arrived for first Sunday fly it had snowed 8 inches of fresh powder. We couldn't go to the Monuments (construction again!) so we went towards an equestrian park instead. Hadn't plowed the lot so we pulled over on the side of the entrance road.

    Anyway, we were all laughing at and kidding Sundown as he was lovingly cleaning out the pool's interior, then he set-up and went scootin' across the field howling in ecstasy. Know what happened next? WE double-quick formed a line to wait for our own turn scudding in the winter pool!

    Oh yeah, 120s are a great flying length of lines regardless of your kite choice

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