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  1. + four

    from the archival collection of Bevan Brown,..... A Neos, a signed rev 1 from 1989 (#6 I believe), a custom indoor by John Dejuryoh (splg butchery, sorry JD, but he did invent the darn thing!) and an old style Rev2

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  2. Well I slapped a Diamond (travel frame) leading edge into my kite just to see the difference (it had a three-piece P-90 upon arrival at the field). The wind range didn't change but the responsiveness certainly did! It just felt lighter on the strings for lack of better descriptive term.

    I received this sail at WSIKF from Steve Polansky after installing an extra French Bridle into one of his kites (talk about an great exchange, or what!?!!) I had some too skinny elastic shock cord, but Lolly fixed me up with the right stuff necessary to make mine and Rich Comras' kite sails air worthy.

    There's a brief video shot by a bystander here




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  3. Hi Steven, In my experience the "tough" 1.5 model already exists, you can beat the stitches out of it for a couple of thousands of hours too! Buy the factory stocker with that fat Dacron leading edge and throw in some green race (the travel frame is stronger + cheaper to fix if you break a spar). Ask for some extra leading edge patches to be placed at the folds, if not also included at that center point if you want more durability. That will double the lifespan of your sail, the only remaining wear point is the trailing edge. Failure there is a long way down the quad-line trail.

    Upgrade to a Pro and have Bazzer slap all the upgrades on it, or pop for a Eliot Shook Mesh and double the wind range while still getting all the latest developments in construction.

    Less than standard wind in my area IS indoor conditions (unlimited ceiling though ~ HA) If we get a steady 10 mph breeze then the public schools would be closed for a week! What is "less than standard" in South Africa?

    I want a design for no wind/indoors that flies just like the rest of the kites in my bag. The indoor Revolution kite has too much pilot transition expected, like putting left handed but playing the rest of your golf clubs "righty".

    The Zen can fly in zip wind, but many folks don't connect, put the time in necessary to be as one with that wing. There very well may be a significant market for the Helium as a cross-over kite.

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  4. Hey!,... whatever happened to this development path on a Rev that flies indoors and doubles as a delicate SUL for outside?

    many have heard about it,

    a few have seen it,

    I have flown it,

    Now I'm ready to apply modifications to one I own personally and practice-up for the Air & Space Museum.

    Hopefully this wasn't a one-off-and-done project, or a strange acquisition path where I can only acquire it thru an AKA auction promo

    inquiring minds want to know about the Helium status.

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  5. There's no one setting for all people, you "tune" it for your own preferences, it is the kite, lines and leaders, handles, frame and location specific considerations. The factory gives a general starting point, for most folks and conditions. You know, you can move the car seat though if you drove a lot you might pop for a custom installation specific to your back's need! Can't afford a vecaro? then sit with a clipboard behind your back. You can change a bunch of things on your car, but it might not "connect" as an extension of your mind.

    the basics, most easily obtained by traveling, include how to do these adjustments. a coach can touch it, identify what might benefit, hand it back. You try out a couple of things and the journey begins,... What works for you? The more exposure to variety (people and OPK kites) plus the time you have on the lines, the more personal the relationship will become with your own equipment.

  6. the full sail NYM should come with Diamonds or Black race frames, expanding the low end wind range comfort level for the common man. It will fly with Greenies, but you'd like it better with something else. By the time the greenies are the most appropriate frame choice it's time for the mid-vents anyway!

  7. if you are asking for my advice, then definitely a Shook mesh, ... they have a huge wind range, sufficient to match their price of admission! You are getting a vented kite but without the excess weight of that material. Wanta' talk about "s-m-o-o-t-h" in flight? Oh man, these kites are a dream.

    The difference is so noticeable that you may have to get more in different configurations of venting. The primary one to acquire is a 75%, it's will fly down at the mid single-digits comfortably and by switching out the frame from say a Diamond to a green race travel frame you could still enjoy it in winds that were 25 miles per hour higher. It fits nicely in-between the mid-vent and a full vent. Specifically designed for this purpose. The thing is,... it will do both jobs beautifully (but you've paid for that huge wind range too)

    The 135% I have flown and enjoyed at a steady 10 mph and you could push this to 35 or 40 easily, again by alternating the frames. I own a 100% and have flown it in 35mph, granted with 4 wraps and an SLE, but it was still great fun, controllable and not in danger of damage.

    Cath & Eliot Shook also sell a bunch of alternatives and add-ons, call them to discuss your interests and options. You pick the colors and work with them to design your own creation, you just lift a visa card and wait a bit.

    You ARE in this addiction deep enough to leap blindly off the cliff now! You want something different, well it's either end of the extremes, indoors or bigger wind.

    I can assure you, every owner loves a Shook Mesh and you are getting all the latest bits of knowledge and care built in. Extra reinforcing patches at high stress or wear areas in the leading edge. A leading sleeve that is built significantly tighter to the frame members. Wear and life extending strips behind the down spars, all these bits are going to add a couple of years (doubling the life expectancy). Go ahead, slam it around, hard abuse is expected. It's crafted from Icarex material by a guy who was a kite flier first, then a kite merchant retailer and finally a master-builder himself.

    Have you ever built a kite? Well after you get good at it, you'd look at your purchasing differently. You would have expectations, knowing you could do it yourself better, unless you are working with a truly gifted craftsman. With a Shook Mesh (or one of Bazzer's Pros) you are getting a kite so well constructed that you CAN NOT do it better yourself! The joke is that with a shook mesh,.... "it's the best kite Rev never built" (they do the assembly though)

    Obviously an indoor is going to be cheaper, if you have a location, nothing is more rewarding. With that said, the indoor flies WAY different from their other models. Many excellent pilots have had to force themselves to learn its' uniqueness. I never connected with it personally. But I have seen some brilliant performances on this kite, if you have a location to practice.

    Pull the trigger and order both a Shook and an Indoor, pay once for freight, get some flying line (Skybond) and some different bridles, try a set of magic sticks,......

    you can thank me later, after the bitter taste of int'l economics, tariffs and air freight charges have been long forgotten.


  8. Tapered Breeze tubes are extremely light weight and delicate, indoors only

    P-90s are the next cheap and light weight solution for low wind, indoors

    Diamonds, expensive and worth it, low wind or for swirling conditions

    2wrap rev sticks

    Black Race

    P-300 Skyshark tubes

    3wrap rev sticks


    Green Race


    SLE broom-stick

    ... These are the frames that can go into the leading edge that I'm familar with and carry routinely

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  9. I use Revolution's bag, but for the same price a gal will custom craft one in the exact image you see fit,...

    Her name escapes me, but somebody on here knows her!

    how many pockets do you desire? How many kite sleeves shall fit into each one? Do you want a "drop cloth" that folds out, to sit on during set-up? How about custom embroidery, at least your stylized name? Want pockets for handles and line winders? Mesh or solid walled, velcro or fold-over closures?

    Dugard has one of these bags and it is both appropriate for large quantities of Revs as well as well organized. For the same price basically!!!! Beautiful design and well made, durable material with all the most useful hardware.

    Personally?, I carry one Rev bag and might tailor those contents to fit a specific occasion, but my family owns 3 of 'em. The misses uses hers for single line kites and my overflow Revs are tucked into another that stays home. The thing is.... you really only need about half a dozen revs to cover all conditions. You buy some more and the old ones get bumped from your A-bag. But really you need an Indoor, an SUL, a full sail, a mid-vent, a Shook 75% and a howlin' wind only model.

    I carry a 12 kites at a minimum in my Rev bag, in sleeves, 6 sets of handles w/line wound-on, a big fist-full of extra frame members, at least two lights sets and some basic tools, supplies and parts. All my kites currently being "A-bag rated" are made by one of only 3 individuals, Dave (Ashworth), Bazzer or Eliot. All but the indoor and 100% Shook mesh kites listed below were made to my specific requirements too, many with furnished leading edge material of mylar backed nylon. Extra reinforcing patches are built-in and a lighter weight leading edge sleeve material used, plus it is sewn tighter to the frame members, such that only one tube fits inside the sleeve and it is pretty snug alone!

    ~( 2) indoor customs, one Ryv-like and other based upon Steve LaPorte' Spirit (both made by Dave Ashworth)

    ~ Zen custom with extra Diamond frame members (Made by both Shook and Bazzer)

    ~ B-pro Full sail, custom, diamond frame (Made by both Shook and Bazzer)

    ~ (2) "Old Glory" SUL Masterpieces with Race frame (one French and one stock bridle, kites by Bazzer)

    ~40% Shook weave SUL masterpiece, custom, diamond frame

    ~ B-pro Mid vent SUL, custom, diamond frame (SUL by Bazzer)

    ~(2) 75% Shook weave masterpiece "Ghosts", custom SUL sail construction, (Race frames)

    ~ B-pro full vent, SUL custom with green race travel frame (bazzer)

    ~ 100% Shook with 4 wraps or Green Race (thru the AKA auction, before licensing was approved by REv)

  10. light winds call for more flex, so it fills with air quicker, (by distorting the sail and frame into a 3D shape!)

    for the lightest conditions I prefer a P-90 or Rev's new diamond frame (each has it's place, rev's stick has a snappy response, the P-90s are "softer".... less responsive immediately) An example? P-90s into a B2 make it an entirely new kite, more responsive, either works well (depending on who you talk to) in the 1.5 platforms and the Diamond frame is a perfect addition to your Zen.

    I've only tried P-90s in the 1.5s,... my B2 full sail is laid-up for bigger wind, faster excitement, it has the 3 piece Black Race leading edge. It's a trick monster but can be flown all slow and graceful too!

    The Zen? I've flown and basically worn out two models, one with the Zen tubes and one with their Diamonds. The difference is night and day! I have diamond frames in a couple of 1.5s (full sail and a Shook 40%) whereas my friend Paul uses the P-90s (sighting a vast difference in price as justification for that decision)

    The green Race frame was crafted because one of Rev's "good customers" kept breaking sticks in the water. Dantonio fixed that problem and we affectionately now refer to those greens as "Rich Race", <LOL!>

  11. REVflyer, are you using any weights in the bottom tips for extra glide on 120's?

    No, just a set of magic sticks, And a diamond frame, And a modified leading edge construction using Mylar backed nylon instead of Dacron, oh and French bridle

    The sum of the parts and bits make an entirely different kite that just looks like zen.

  12. Heino, don't give up!

    start off practicing on longer lengths than you'd intend to use for a demo. For instance you ask? Dave Shenkman's "Huntington Beach Kite Party 2015",.... restricted (highly encouraged!) to limit lengths to 75 feet, so I'll practice on 85 or 90 feet back home for a few months. That way the kite comes back effortlessly to me standing flat footed and can fly all the way out to the end of the lines during a well placed active throw.

    The throw can be practiced off of the lines! Run a couple of steps (adding free momentum!) and pitch it like a javelin.

    It needs to #1

    go out (away from you), #2

    upwards (at the proper angle determined by practice) and #3

    rotate (90 degrees to wind-up inverted), just above the ground and pasted stationary,

    ... in that order so folks know you meant to do that.

    The catch is easier from almost overhead, but looks a lot cooler if you do it from about 2/3rds of the window's height. That way it will apex and angle back down towards you, hopefully traveling the entire distance to your outstretched hand, so you don't have to run or move forward at all. Here the secret is "how far out you can reach" (and still not slice open you finger on the raw spectra!) Longer leaders, using the same materials as your sleeving, as few knots as possible in the leaders to prevent entanglement when handles are used in one hand or dropped onto the ground.

    The 1.5 size is easier to learn 3D tricks on, because you can get great control on shorter strings than the Zen. Things happen faster and with less effort. It will not have the same floatiness or travel as slowly, but the techniques will carry over to the larger Zen size when you are ready. I've worked my way up from 30 foot lengths to pretty good success consistently on 120s, probably a decade of practice. Watching somebody or getting a hands-on lesson personally will trim hundreds of futility hours away. No other kite does this two part trick anything at all like a Revolution product. They are each unique in their interpretation of this trick as well.

  13. The zen is my favorite kite, but it doesn't fly like other models. It cuts across turbulence and swirls, plus instantly re-powers when slack lining. I have extensively modified this one for my own preferences, after wearing one out first. That showed me when to reinforce and where to trim mass or relocate, also went to Rev's new Diamond frame.

    Here's a link of some jacking around at the nat'l mall a few weeks ago. Starting at about one minute the music is "Back to the Future". A spectator offered to film me after I chased him around for awhile. I did not touch him, but when he'd turn around after taking a pix the kite would be right behind him balanced on the leading edge.


  14. The bend is a personal choice,

    some like the control mechanism with two bends, that may favor a squeezing grip-type action,

    I use this indoors, little tiny handles that can be carried underneath an orcon sail, unaccompanied by pilot inputs so to speak.

    maybe 7 inch gap and 1/4" aluminum tubing.

    My most comfortable choice personally ( coincidently? Most commonly used as well?) are flown with thumb flicks, instead of squeezin',

    17 inches between the two attachment points, grade 5 titanium tubes, they are lighter in weight with a set of 120s than the 13" no snags Empty! The bend is all up high, gradually straightening out to a straight line also.

    I've seen folks with the foam on the straight part of the tube, and the curvature angled towards the kite, BELOW your hand

    Then there's the foam itself......., thin or thick diameter?, hard or soft grip resistance? Long grip foam? A shaped grip maybe? You look like magnets sunk into the foam so they snap together rigidly for tricks kind of flier to me

    Try some options if possible, see what you prefer

  15. The Shook 135% will fly fine in a steady 10 mph,.... but can handle "scary wind" just as well, yes mid-30s are within easy reach.

    You don't have the weight of the mesh material included in the shook sail, so the wind range is significantly larger, as is the size of the window you can fly in. You also paid more, so you should get something extra. The leading edge sleeve on Eliot's kite is built tighter to the frame (only one 1/4" tube fits inside) and also reinforced at specific points to increase the lifespan of the kite (at the center & at the fold points). There's a fine strip of icarex PC material linking the panels along the path of the down spar to prevent stress cracks and deformation of overall shape with extended usage in high wind.

    It doesn't pull and it's so smooth!

    I don't own one, but having flown it (when others were on mid-vents) I can speak for the extraordinary characteristics of this model. I live in the land of no wind, a full vent Pro and 100% Shook mesh are seldom EVER used. I can't justify the 135% for my own collection, but I'm certainly comfortable recommending it "if you routinely experience high wind conditions"

    Just another flavor to consider


  16. the sticks are black, so hiding them in a colored fabric sleeve isn't very visually appealing, it's still a shadow or dark line thru the graphics.

    The purpose of this sleeve is to protect the sail, then mount the protection ONTO the sail and don't mess with the frame members at all.

    This is a solution, but not in the direction I would travel.

    By the time the sail fabric has cracked, the rest of the kite is beat-up as well. Why bother?, this is not going to extend the life by two years!

    Reinforcing patches at the leading edge, now that is good use of materials, labor and weight and it will make a difference in life-span on your kite too

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