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  1. Cool. Glad to hear you got some air time in. What length of handles are you using? I prefer 11-inch for the II-sized kites, but 13's should be ok, just keep the input gestures mild. Replace the bungee. If it's from the 90's it definitely needs to be replaced since rubber disintegrates quickly. It's 1/8 inch diameter and not expensive. It'll take you an hour or two but is well worth it. You'll be amazed at how much control you'll gain when you have some shock absorption to compensate for wind gusts. When you are laying out the lines don't worry about all the twists you see in the lines. Most of them are not really there. Just hook up the kite and handles and put tension on the lines. Voila, 99.9% of them disappear. The one or two that remain can be easily removed at the handle end by shuffling the handles around and through each other.
  2. The difference is 110 pounds , and that's because of the greater number of panels and some design features which both increase the amount of labor involved. The EXP is built for price point, intended for beginners and/or those who are not sure if they will really get into it. They will both fly and feel the same to a flyer who is new to quad-line kites, but the 1.5 Classic has performance and durability advantages over the EXP, so if you are sure you're going to continue flying and can afford the difference without hurting your pocketbook, go for it. The other option is to get one of the older discontinued 1.5 B-Series, on eBay or from a kite shop that still has old stock, either new or used. There are other quads available which are nearly identical in general shape and performance, but be aware that you will get what you pay for. Anything new for less than 120 pounds will cause you grief. If you have no brick and mortar kite shop in your vicinity, you can purchase on-line. There's quite a few in NW Europe that handle quads of all sorts. Oh, and welcome to the forum. Have fun, smile and don't forget to breathe.
  3. Hi, fwimmer, and welcome to the forum. Join us on the KiteLife forum also. Your experience with the dual-line probably helped a lot. It takes most people a bit longer to get comfortable with a Rev. Some people have a very hard time with it, struggling for quite some time before it "clicks". I'm glad that you are able to begin the journey so quickly -- and it is a journey, very much like the one you are on with your Jazz. There's so much you can do. The easiest way to learn new stuff is to try to feel it. In other words, don't overthink what you're trying to accomplish. Plus with the quad you can control the speed of the kite precisely. Doing things slowly until you build up the muscle memory is one advantage of quads. Good luck on your journey. Smile, have fun and don't forget to breathe.
  4. @onyx Can you be more specific? I'll answer your questions if I can.
  5. makatakam


    Hi, onyx. Good to have you aboard. I look forward to flying with you someday. If you are new to flying and/or have any kite-related questions, ask and we will do our best to help.
  6. Fishing, fossil hunting and target shooting. Oh, I forgot one: drinking beer.
  7. -1 (13) Rainbow Radical gone.
  8. Please have Revolution send me one of each model and variation. I will send photos electronically in whatever format you prefer the same day I receive the kites. Thank you.
  9. Most kite shops show the B-Series, but it has been discontinued. I would like to be able to look at currently made models -- as in manufacturer's catalog. I don't want to see discontinued models. I don't want to hear that there are some "not shown here" or "photo not available". I want to see everything they are making.
  10. Not good or bad, just different. You probably won't really notice much of a difference until you have 100 to 200 hours of experience. Which one you may prefer eventually is anyone's guess at this point. Too many variables to consider, and it will depend on the type of flying style you develop. It's a lot like asking which is better, blue or yellow. You may eventually prefer red over both of them.
  11. Is it time to update the forum header showing the evolution of Revolution Kites, showing the models and year of inception beyond 2010? In addition, I would like to view the entire line-up of current production models somewhere, including descriptions and specifications. Is that something that is in progress?
  12. I must disagree. If you can learn to fly as well as Paul, it's worth abusing your equipment.
  13. Hi, don't recall if I've already welcomed you. So many new flyers this year! If not, welcome to the forum. You can buy bulk and tie them yourself. Two for the price of one, more or less. With pre-tied sets you're paying for materials and labor. I am particularly fond of Theresa's lines from The Kite Shoppe. She does a great job of pre-stretching them and uses thinner sleeving on the end loops which equals less drag when I fly SUL (super ultra light) kites in very light wind. Order online, or give her a call if you have questions. I recommend LPG if you have little or no experience with flying duals or quads. The stiffness helps a lot on fields that aren't quite perfectly groomed, and have dandelions or other weeds that your lines can snag on. Very annoying when you are trying to learn to fly and one or more of your lines won't let go of the ground. I do like the Skybond in light wind, again because of reduced drag made possible by its smaller diameter, and also the additional amount of wraps possible when spinning the kite in one direction due to its slickness. I like the color/visibility too, but unfortunately it does fade rather quickly to a sickly shade of off-white. Durability is as good, or maybe even a little than LPG. The jury is still out on that one for me. I've only been using it, but not exclusively, for about two years. Paul (REVflyer) has more experience with it and I trust his opinion. He yanks, cranks and spanks his kites unbelievably (you're close enough, go fly with him), so if he says it's good, it's good. So, like everything else in kiting and life, it's a compromise. You can't have both extremes at the same time, so you go with what suits the conditions you will encounter most frequently, unless you can afford both. Starting with one or the other and using one for a length of time will make it easy to tell the difference once you try the other -- we're talking like 100 hours of experience -- and you will instantly be able to tell which will be optimal in existing conditions. If you have any problems getting it up (pun intended) sing out. We'll do what we can to help. Don't get frustrated if you have some difficulties along the way. Though it isn't rocket science (it's kite science), it's not as easy as the experienced flyers make it look. Most of us have at least hundreds if not thousands of hours of flight time, but we have all been right where you are at this point. We all survived the minor problems involved with flying a quad. You will too. Smile, have fun and don't forget to breathe. P.S. -- Do not purchase generic spectra line from or made in China. It is NOT even near the quality of LaserProGold or Shanti Skybond. It will only cause you grief when it begins to bind up after only four or five spins in the same direction, and wears out in one season.
  14. Hi, Noel, and welcome! The RevII is a fast and very responsive kite. It will be a bit more challenging to learn with that size of sail, but not impossible. Nine- to eleven-inch handles are ideal for this size, but the more common thirteen-inch are what most flyers use, since that's what they have if they started out with a full-size sail. The lines most folks start with are 75 to 80 feet in length, and eventually get 120-foot which is the accepted international standard when crossing lines with others. Get no-snag handles with extended top leaders. They cost just a little bit more, but will eliminate the need to modify the standard hog-ring style later. Get on the KiteLife forum and watch the tutorials on setup, breakdown and line management if you don't have anyone to instruct or help you with your first few flights. It will save you a bit of frustration and is easier than learning on your own. If you must learn on your own, you will more than likely have some issues with getting the lines sorted without tangling them. Ignore the twists that appear to be in the lines as you lay them out and attach them. Ninety-nine percent of those twists will disappear when you put tension on the lines. The remaining two or three should be fairly easy to undo at the handle end. From your description it appears that you bought a used one which came with "magic sticks", the frame members that jut out perpendicularly from the back of the kite, supported by lines that go from the distal ends to the leading edge and tips of the kite frame. I recommend not using them unless you are absolutely positive that they are attached and tensioned correctly. This kite will need wind of at least 8 to 10 mph until you have basic control down pat. Wait for winds in the 8 to 16 mph range. If you fly in less or more wind you will only be fighting the wind and not learning to fly the kite. It will be an exercise in frustration and not much else. If you wait for suitable wind you should have mastered basic control in four or five outings. Take a 5-minute break every 20 minutes or so. Try not to overthink what you are doing. Spend some time just feeling how the wind pushes against the sail. Remember, if you can't feel the wind pushing on the kite it won't fly. Any questions you have can and will be answered. Don't be shy. We all want you to succeed. Have fun, smile and don't forget to breathe.
  15. Easiest remedy for what you are experiencing is to wait until the wind is decent. Six to twelve mph and fairly steady will be the easiest in which to learn. If you are fighting the wind, whether it is too strong or too weak, you are learning frustration and how hard it is in crappy wind, but not much else. I know how much you just want to fly, but choosing your wind at the beginning will speed up the process of being able to fly in crap and make it look easy. Flying in crap wind is difficult, even for those with hundreds of hours of experience. In lighter winds adjusting the knots is finding the ideal compromise between sail pressure and lift, and it is always a compromise. It seems counter-intuitive, but moving to the knots further out will help in the lighter stuff. If you move by walking backwards when the wind slows or dies you create pressure in the sail which keeps the kite aloft. Watch some indoor flying videos to get an idea of what it's about. DLK and QLK are similar enough that some inputs translate well from one to the other, and different enough that most do not. About 80% of DLK does not apply, maybe more. It will all come with time on the lines, just as it did with DLKs. Hang in there. By the time you have 40 hours under your belt, you should have the basics down pat.
  16. It is a matter of timing. The part of the kite that is uppermost in any position must be "leaning" towards you to maintain a hover. You probably noticed this in the basic hover positions: upright, inverted, facing left, facing right. In order to maintain altitude during a spin you must smoothly transition from each position to the next. You can practice this by moving from one position to the next VERY SLOWLY holding the kite in the same spot, and increasing the speed very slightly as you become more comfortable with the movements necessary. If you spin quickly while trying to learn this it will be more difficult because the timing must be nearly perfect to hold a stationary position. To gain altitude you add more "up" input in each position. You can move the rotating kite in any direction by adding input in that direction, which constantly changes according to which part of the kite is facing in that direction at the moment.
  17. When you move the bottom lines closer to the handle you adding/increasing the amount of brake = more sensitive. And that's what you want to do with a quad-line kite. It sounds counter-intuitive, but trust me and everyone else when we tell you that will give you better control of the kite. I fly with so much brake that even experienced flyers say it is too much. If you can fly with maximum brake settings, then you will be able to fly in winds so low others can't launch and stay airborne in. Any questions that come to you, ask them here and we will try to help. We want you to succeed!
  18. You will have fun learning to fly a Rev using a B2. It is quicker than its bigger brother, the 1.5, and moves like Taz on steroids. When you become proficient using this kite, a full-sized Rev will be sooooooo eeeeeeasy to fly. A bit of advice -- if you are going to crash, give to the kite. In other words, move your whole body forward and push your arms out toward the kite. This will reduce the severity of the impact. Or just hit both brake (bottom) lines hard. Try hitting the bottom lines hard a few times while you're not crashing yet to get the hang of it. That's how you stop the kite if you don't like where it's going. To get control of your inverted hover try this. Fly to the top of the window, turn it over and fly toward the ground as slowly as possible. Go back up, repeat. Go slower each time. If you do this 100 times, I guarantee you will own your hover.
  19. When you begin thinking about it take a break. Try to feel the kite instead. Close your eyes with the kite parked upright and feel the wind fluctuations. Launch the kite with your eyes closed. See if you can determine in which direction it's moving and then open your eyes. Do the same exercise with the kite parked inverted. Have fun, smile and don't forget to breathe.
  20. Light, variable wind is by far the most difficult in which to learn to fly a quad. Although you can fly a Rev with inputs similar to those used with a DLK, you will soon find that there is much more to be had with a QLK. If you have previous experience with DLKs, you will soon find that DLK inputs are used frequently, but in combination with other inputs for greatly improved precision and control. I recommend waiting for wind that is steady in a range of 7 to 14 mph. In variable, light wind most experienced pilots must constantly adjust for the changes. This is something you will learn with time, so it is even more difficult to learn if you haven't yet developed that particular muscle memory. If you constantly fly in radically different wind conditions you will learn close to nothing, and will not improve your muscle memory efficiently. A bit of patience in waiting for acceptable wind as you start your QLK journey will help dramatically in the learning process. Being able to duplicate any move consistently will make you better more quickly. I know how hard it is to wait until the wind is right. Bin dare, dun dat. Fly with experienced pilots whenever possible. If you are well versed with DLKs, then you know that tipping the nose of the kite forward or back (adjusting the mean angle of attack) is how you tune the kite for lighter or stronger winds. The same holds true for QLKs, and that is what you are doing by moving the top lines to knots either closer or further from the handles. How much you move them depends on the wind speed and your level of experience. For now, just know that for lighter wind you move them out to put more wind pressure in the sail. In stronger wind, up to a point, you can bring them in to let some wind spill off the sail. This also depends on your level of experience. I usually fly out on the last or second knot from which it is possible to launch the kite. Most beginners cannot get the kite airborne at that setting. It is possible that you had the lines set too far out. If you're not getting desired results, adjust and try it with different settings. It has a lot to do with level of personal comfort, and whether you are flying solo or with others. Plus, we all hold the handles differently because of hand size, age, disability, comfort zone, hand strength, etctera, so the "average" will not work as well for some. One size does not fit all. It sounds a little bit complicated at times, but will become second-nature eventually. Hang in there and most importantly, have fun. That is every kiter's primary purpose.
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