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      Greetings, we've received notice of a few forum members soliciting other users for specifications on some of the Revolution kites... Please be advised, any such confirmed activity will result in immediate suspension of forum privileges. Making your own Rev style kite for artisitic purposes is admirable, but directly copying the patterns in use will not be encouraged here.


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    KITES; both building and flying them,... mostly quad-lines, although I own others that never seem to get pulled from the bags!<br /><br />I work for the federal government's National Institutes of Health in the printing & graphic design area. <br /><br />I have the best wife/woman in the whole world! <br /><br />I'm part of a local kite club (actually several!, Wings Over Washington is the one that receives most of my attention though) and greatly value the opinions of the friends/ other members I have met. They help me solve developmental issues, as I'm much more of a concept-type of guy, than an actual implementer. I love these three guys (Harold Ames, Dave Ashworth & Mike Mosman) 'cause they're all engineer-geeks. You give them a cocktail napkin sketch and the next week they hand you back a prototype to test.
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  1. When to use Race Frame

    you can change how much it feels (pulls) by varying the amount of "down" tuned into the handles. Square to the wind = the maximum pressure (imagine a sheet of plywood in wind tunnel) By angling it either forward or backwards from square you can lessen the pressure,... one way makes it back-up better and one way makes it have less pull. Examples? Well if you were flying a stack it was pulling your arms out, you'd angle it towards more forward drive, it doesn't want to back-up as a stack anyway, so lessening the pull (not allowing the sail to arrive at square) is appreciated. On the other side is a competition flight for quad precision. You want it slow and precise, more "down" gives you that control. You want to flail away and do some tricks or slack line flight, more down is where it's at! Changing the leading edge stiffness also affects how fast the sail re-inflates if doing tricks, more bend is a quicker re-powered up. The other side of all that flex is "tracking". A stiff leading edge will stay on course once set into motion better. It will turn easier on the wind-tips and fly a nice straight line,... almost free! A heavier leading edge is great for catching the kite, a more flexible leading edge is great to throw and re-power it up at the ends of the line. No one framing solution fits every need, even in the same kite sail. I'd use the race frame whenever I wanted to do tricks or slack line flailing, the heavier frame in a team environment. My line sets would vary as well as the length of the handles too. Shorter handles/ longer lines on the stiff frame. Long throw handles and short lines on the flexible frame.
  2. 2017 AKA Grand National Championships are over and the newest king of the wind is Fletch now, having won both the indoor single line and open (Indoor unlimited), as well as Freestyle (OIOU). He also came in second in MMB to Jon Trenepohl and together with his flying partner Melissa Harpster won the Pairs Multi-line Ballet too! It was my honor to witness his activities, an amazing journey in less than half a decade. His hard work & practice really showed, but you can't teach stage presence and he had that all on display in spades. His revs of choice for comps? The indoor and reflex RX models. Excellent job buddy and congrats!
  3. Is It Time?

    kiteshoppe.com has the info you seek, just browse away
  4. Is It Time?

    a few of the recognized kite shops have a selection of images to examine, specs etc on-line, offering all the color choices "in stock or available" As for the forum header?,.. it's in line for fixing very soon
  5. B2 revolution or reflex

    B2s & the Rev2 are both models 2 tons of fun!, shorter line lengths become appropriate and a spanking ability highlighter tool for sure, if you want that. Reflex technology is fun too, nothing wrong just completely different. If you had ten thousand hours "one way" imagine how tough it would be to go into a new & different direction from your own highly practiced way! Heck it would feel downright unnatural. Each time a new thing comes out, we have to learn all over again. Only having one kite makes this easy, but a long time collector has too many kites to "be one with each and every one of them" Some try to modify each example into what they want, occasionally with success. Almost nobody likes a stock indoor Rev the 1st time they touch it, but it can grow on you and be improved upon with a little work. Why introduce a model in-between the beloved Rev 1 and the rocket kite Rev2. Did anybody way back then think that misbegotten size would take off?, well it become the 1point5 platform. Now the reflex is upon us, another new direction, maybe it succeeds and maybe it doesn't. It doesn't feel like the old stuff! Well, do you embrace it or cast asunder. First of all, can you afford to acquire and carefully compare each model or are you going to let others influence your buying decisions? Do you have enough experience to say where you'd like something changed to better suit your own preferences? You'd have to be a pretty good client to deviate from the approved standard. You'd certainly have to pay extra too. How well do you know yourself? The road of discovery is many times more delightful (compared to the final destination, unless you just don't want to give up and try to learn it all over again in a new way). Personally?,.. I've had to unlearn and relearn a whole bunch of times. I know how I like the kite to feel too,...my definition of perfection in flight dynamics is single the word "neutral".
  6. Laser Pro -- Where to buy?

    Please remember, the string is like the tires on your souped-up sports car. That darn thing is no fun to drive without traction and a flat is even worse, it won't even move. Tires wear out, the harder you drive the quicker they need to be replaced. Baby it around for an hour only on Sundays and if it's sunny?, it will last your entire lifetime. Doing burn-outs and racing away from every intersection? Then you'll need to order another set this summer. Racing it around the track every day? You better have extra sets of tires string with you at all times, as you might need it after lunch. I replace 50#/100' flying lines at least there times per year (flying on it about ten hours per week, average), but I'm hard on jewelry punching stop signs, so imagine how a kite is treated by an abusive flailer.such as myself. I am NOT a positive role model!
  7. Laser Pro -- Where to buy?

    many of us find Skybond to be a superior quad-line solution for outside, it is thinner, much more slippery and durability too, throw in the yellow coating on the surface and it''s a sure winner. Flying Smiles Kites sells it, Cath/Eliot Now if you wanted to fly indoors then LPG is a better solution, as it is much "stiffer" line, therefore won't snag as easily when big chunks of slack are dragging across the floor. It's like flying on wires! Teresa (kite shoppe) and Dave (Kite connection) both sell LaserPro, heck they may be into Skybond as well by now.
  8. Handle size for rev ll ?

    many folks like that kite on handles appropriately sized (short), like maybe 9 inches or less (across the gap between the two attachment points), but my first quad-lined coach (Jeffery Burka) flies his on handles of 19 inches, basically you take off the bottom hog ring and slip in a piece of carbon tube, butted against the curvature and held in place with vinyl electrical tape. The end cap of a Rev is epoxied onto the end of the carbon insert so you have an easy attachment point. Jeff flies his without a bridle too,... and upwind, and one handed without looking at the kite. so the easiest answer is ,.... do what feels best to you! My Rev/B2 flies on 13 inch no-snag handles with less than 80 feet of line of flying line so I can throw and catch it. Modified too, it has a Race Frame, micro-carbon magic sticks and a french bridle,.... everything is available from Flying Smiles kites in NC, just a visa card away!
  9. Binghamton NY

    Lee Sedgewick lives in PA, east side, as do a few fliers on the other side nearby York, PA. flying at the Sam Lewis State Park, all are happy to assist without cost or obligation
  10. First flight on my new Rev Reflex RX

    You test for tuning with the kite inverted on the ground,... keep lengthening the top leader attachment knot positioning OR shortening the bottoms,... or maybe do both UNTIL the kite will back up inverted. In low wind you will also be walking backwards Matt! Hold the handles softly, like you are meaning to drop them in the next couple of heartbeats. The sail has maximum pressure (not lift) when it is square to the wind. You make that lift through movements of feet, hands/arms and angling the sail. In ideal conditions you can sit on the ground with your legs crossed and still fly with complete control. In tough conditions you will have to move all around MAKING the kite fly through your actions. Most people pull the top leaders to gain lift, instead add DOWN, turn the kite inverted and practice what will truly give you the most benefit, stationary hover & reverse flight. Get comfortable with the kite an inch above the ground and moving all around. My first lesson is the cartwheel, when the pilot knows how to turn the kite over they can always relaunch, even without supervision. First practice session is inverted, saving years of useless practice in forward flight. If it won't back-up you can take off two strings, most any dualie will stall and slide sideways
  11. Kites and Travel Frames

    some like the new reflex kites, some don't,..... personally? the best one looks like a B-series panel layout and incorporates the reflex mechanism, plus uses the ordinary sized frame members we are used to. (You need to dremel saw the furnished down-spars in half and epoxy in add'l ferules to make that a travel frame,... no biggie, wrap the spar in electrical tape before sawing to prevent splitters in the tube) what's the difference between the old and the new? Well the materials are better, lighter, stronger and the panel layout provides for stretch over time by channeling the airflow (more durable). SLE tubes serve a purpose, but most pilots don't use them. If you want to throw your kite though, they can NOT be beaten! Most of us like more bending in the frame, but we want it to snap back too. Like comparing a cross-bow with an english long bow, both put an arrow downrange, but one almost any farmer could fire accurately and the other take real training and practice to perform even marginally as close. The overall design has evolved too, there's now a much more pronounced curvature built into the leading edge, where "back in the day" it was built laser straight. Diamonds are a custom order, just like a Ferrari, delicate, fast, expensive, worth the money (IF you can afford it),.... poor man's diamonds are Skyshark P-90s (too flexible but really light in weight and cheap enough to break ~ order extras) T-zero is a chinese spar that comes with the Friedline kite, better than a P-90 but nothing equals a Diamond 2 wraps are light weight and more readily available, stiffer but still relatively light in weight are Black Race Skyshark P-100 and P-200 go in here someplace too Green Race is a Black with an add'l coating applied. it's almost the perfect stick, strong and responsive (quick rebound), not unreasonably priced. I have friends that use this frame in no wind conditions! 3 Wraps, kind of a middle of the road stick, very common in team flying as almost everyone has it. Black Race is builded as "the strength of 3 wrap and the weight of a 2 wrap) P-300 from Skyshark goes in here and there's a Chinese Spar called the T-Two 4 wraps are for when weight is not a factor, you just want it stiff and strong. SLEs are for when the port-potties are blowing over, under water, or within a sacrificial sail playing bumper kites! REMEMBER: A travel frame is a step up in stiffness and weight too, so it you want a 3wrap frame buy a two wrap travel instead. Can you see why lots of folks picked the Black Race or Diamonds now for a travel frame? Plus if you break a stick you are only needing 1/10 instead of a fifth! You'd NEVER need a 4 wrap travel frame, it could be used to free a car stuck from the snowbank! We could be into hybrid travel frames, but you need hours on the line more than equipment purchased, know what you want, the pursue it hard! The handles and leaders can be vastly improved with a little time and effort. Leaders should be 2 or even 3 times as long on top as compared to the bottoms of the handles. The "hog rings" can be dumped for plastic drywall moly inserts and flat headed or trumpet headed screws, so they are "Snag-less"
  12. Wiggles B2 in a spin

    Tuning: insure your sail "is square to the wind" not packing a bunch of forward drive, thereby forcing the leading edge into a leaning direction already w/o even taking off. Now to maintain that position (particularly in low wind) you must MOVE your feet backwards, adding extra energy and making SMALLER movements with the handles. That will smooth things out. Remember "less is more", you are gripping a baby chick, not an angry cobra. Make a quarter rotation and stop, get comfortable and do the next quarter turn, there's no hurry. Feel the kite communicating with you, down the lines? Make a smaller movement and STOP, feel it yet? OKAY just inch it (rotation, leading edge going forward) STOP Perfectly smooth is many thousand of hours away, so don't give up. If it looks effortless than you are watching someone with a ton of practice already under their belt.
  13. Wiggles B2 in a spin

    you need more "down" in the tuning,... here's the practice session for after that is accomplished too imagine you are part of team of ten pilots, you spilt out to the edge by odds and evens from a vertical column and then do a 180 degree turn to return back to the center line. With so many pilots you can NOT loss altitude! You have to go to the edge and instead of turning down with the top wing, you have to force the bottom wing UP. That reads weird but it must be experienced and you'll find that backing the bottom wing UP doesn't allow for any decent, you loss some height going around but make up for it by backing up the bottom wing.= same location you started from, but facing the other way. Next thing to work on is a two-handed technique. One thumb's stabbed slightly forward and other snapped back (reversed action) mere moments later. This starts and ends the oversteer built into the bridle configuration where you want it to in the sky. If you make this technique super slowly and not too far out from the center of the window, you can practice close to the ground also, so you CAN'T go forward to turn around without impacting mother earth! In a few sessions it will become second nature or like lots of us, forgetting this important skill until the sky gets crowded again
  14. B2 revolution

    my B2 came with a three piece leading edge of black Race spars, not the two long ones like the RevTwo style featured
  15. Global Rev Count.

    Barbara snagged a second set of 14 "mini-roks" and Harold Ames also let me acquire his personal set of famous baby-revs. Both pkgs were sherpa'd to OC by Marc Conklin.